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PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2018 10:59 am 
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I previously posted this on audiogon but I figured what the hey why not here too?

Less of a review and more of my initial impressions after living with the Jbl 4367 for about a month now. System consists of a Kinki Studio ex-m1 integrated amplifier, a schiit Yggdrasil v2 being fed by my computer, interconnects are Dyson Audio, Cullen cable power cords, and blue jeans speaker cables. My taste in music is predominately classical, jazz, and hard rock, as well as rap, and metal. I love me some Metellica and Kanye West almost as much as I love Mozart and Coltrane. The room is small, 15x10x9. They are set up on the long wall, 12.5ft apart from tweeter to tweeter, and I sit 10 feet away, with the speakers toed in not insignificantly; pointing just to the sides of my head. Believe it or not I have had very little issues with the JBL behaving in my room. Perhaps because it is furnished just right, my careful use of bass traps and absorption panels, the actual construction of the room (suspended wood floor, and dry wall in front of brick for the walls) but I have felt no want for better sound, given my situation. I dare say that the JBL 4367 are perhaps the best speaker I could have picked for my room.

This is a very good loudspeaker. Sound is much better than my previously owned speakers, KEF LS50, KEF R300, Arteluthe Cadenza and Harbeth 30.2. All were very good speakers In their own right but the JBL 4367 makes them all sound like toys. Soundstage and imaging is ridiculous, and the midrange is to die for. Joni Mitchell both sides now and Diana Krall When I look in your eyes and Sarah K. Turn Into Nothing are my 3 reference tracks that I use to judge the midrange, specifically the female vocal midrange. These 3 tracks really have a thick presence, if played on a system done right you genuinely feel you are there in the venue. This is not a case of “it’s like the performer is in the room” no, it’s a case of “I feel like I’m there at the venue live”, the titular track from Both Sides Now, Joni Mitchell’s voice hangs in the air and when I close my eyes I can just imagine myself transported to a dimly lit jazz bar, The air heavy and thick with cigarette smoke, and her singing so soulfully into the mic. What a wonderful album. It has slowly been becoming one of my all time favourites.

I am constantly floored how real the musical presentation is, on albums and tracks recorded in the studio, I get the sense that the singers are floating in the air in front of me. There is a real “stage” to the sound, an intimacy to the music that is soulful; engaging to the point I’m emotionally moved. This is constant, from song to song. Albums that I love to death but have always sounded quite harsh on almost unlistenable are now extremely pleasant and FUN. Bon Jovis vocals on many of the tracks on Slippery When Wet have a sibilence to them on the many speakers I tried. Somehow, the JBL 4367 compression driver and horn system brushes away the sibilence and presents vocals that are crisp, detailed and heavy. This is my kind of rock! On my previous setups, I found the vocals to get very confused and muddled in with the hard rock riffs. The guitars on Rush’s Moving Pictures never sounded so good. I cranked Tom Sawyer and YYZ at pretty ear splitting (100db peaks) levels and it was nearly peeling the skin off my face. Crunchy bass the real deal kind of bass guitar noise: the JBL can deliver that accurate sound. And the drum kit, espesxially on YYZ. Just FUN!! I’ve heard people say that Neil isn’t a good drummer, or he’s boring, or has no soul. I DARE you to say that after hearing Moving Pictures on the JBL 4367!

Something I found very interesting: out of the speakers I have had,I found the JBL 4367 to be MUCH more responsive to small adjustments like angle, toe in and moving away from the walls than my Harbeth or KEFS ever were.


The JBL 4367 offered and continues to offer up dynamics on an unheard level for me. Sheffield drum kit at 105db peaks felt exactly as I imagine it should have. Guttural bass slam that startles you with its huge swings in sound pressure. The large 15” woofers can stop and go on a dime. When I listen to music I find myself losing track of time. What was supposed to be just a few songs turns into a marathon session of at least 6 hours. I really get carried away often and forget to eat.

The low end is more than adequate for my needs. My JBL are essentially corner loaded and as such, have a low end extension that is more like -2db at 30hz, as opposed to the rated -6db. As you’d expect with a speaker with dual 15” woofers, it’s gonna kick like a mule. I mentioned bass briefly in my original post but I guess I didn’t really go over it aside from mentioning the Sheffield Test track.

Some of my other reference tracks include Lenny Kravitz American Woman, which has very nice, very low subbass harmonics in the kickdrum, Keb Mo I Don’t Know, which has extremely powerful and musical sounding low end bass guitar notes, and the entirety of the Tron Legacy soundtrack by daft punk. That album in particular has very complex bass that can get lost amid the middbass. If your woofers have control on that album, they’ll have control on basically anything. Goes without saying that the JBL performed as admirable as I hoped.

I guess I should also mention how the JBL perform in movies. After all, the Synthesis line is right at home in a home cinema environment. I haven’t had the time yet to playback a lot of my reference movie scenes, but I did a few of my favourites. One of my favourite scenes for subbass is War of the Worlds tripod scene. When the gravel starts to crumble as the tripod shifts underground, you get a crunching of rock and earth that is probably the most accurate sounding depiction I’ve ever heard. It is truly a subterranean bass moment and the woofers on the JBL do a damn good job recreating that noise. I also liked the low whoof noise of the cannonballs firing over heads in the opening attack scene in master and commander, the drone attack and bass sweep in oblivion, when his safety line is cut, and the hilariously mixed 0dbfs opening credits sequence of edge of tomorrow. Put THAT scene on for a laugh, 10hz reference level volumes, I think the sound engineer of that Blu-ray Disc was having a laugh. (Ps. Yes I’m a big fan of Tom cruise)

Will the JBL 4367 have enough bass if placed a significant amount away from the boundaries? Possibly not, maybe yes. It depends on your expectations. However I must tell you, the way bass sounds on a single 15inch woofer is very very different than bass on two 8inch or 4 6inch woofers. You’re getting ACTUAL displacement of air. What the engineers at JBL have done is create a speaker that is or more than capable of playing back all forms of music because of the massive surface area of two 15” woofers, and the significantly larger volume size of the cabinent compared to a speaker with a thin baffle with two 8” drivers stuck on the front. This type of speaker is just all too common, and they always claim a frequency response of around 35hz, but in reality it’s just small sounding bass compared to the JBL.


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2018 12:32 pm 
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Nice! There is no replacement for displacement…


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Sounds great. Where can they be auditioned in the GTA? BTW I'm currently playing with LS50s and P3ESRs, but always interested in options. Are you in a house?


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2018 1:56 pm 
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I own their cousins, the M2s, same drivers though IIRC, just a different horn. All your praise I would echo.


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I was afraid of that. Damnit, now I’m gong to have find a pair.


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We need some pictures!!!


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2018 8:01 pm 
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JoshK wrote:
I own their cousins, the M2s, same drivers though IIRC, just a different horn. All your praise I would echo.


I had ordered 4367's after some listening to substitute with my Martin Logan Renaissance but I couldn't work out the space and had to cancel. Last year I demoed M2's in Seattle and was smitten, sadly the condition was pretty bad for the asking price so I didn't buy. Hoping to bring in M2's within the next 2 years when I get some more space cleared and the opportunity arises. Both are fantastic speakers.

Canucklehead98 that's quite an upgrade from your previous KEF and Harbeth speakers!

The PBN M2!5 look pretty badass

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analogluvr wrote:
Nice! There is no replacement for displacement…


Exactly, a real speaker, not a [modern] toy.


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Congrats! I still remember my JBL 4350A as you describe the sound....well these had 2 15" drivers per side!


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I’ve had a lot of time listening to these JBLs with an assortment of equipment, and it’s the first horned speaker I’ve fallen in love with. So much so, that I’m determined to afford the “smaller” little brother, the 4429. Very awesome sounding speakers. The JBL synthesis line doesn’t get as much attention as it should..... they sound phenomenal.


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glennsmith999 wrote:
Sounds great. Where can they be auditioned in the GTA? BTW I'm currently playing with LS50s and P3ESRs, but always interested in options. Are you in a house?


I think Audioeden might have a pair


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glennsmith999 wrote:
Sounds great. Where can they be auditioned in the GTA? BTW I'm currently playing with LS50s and P3ESRs, but always interested in options. Are you in a house?


you do realize they retail at $15000 US a pair? Quite a step up in cost vs your 2 monitors. There is an used pair on the US audio mart. $11200 US a pair.


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^ Then I'm glad they sound so good! However, I'm not really ready to upgrade yet (just got both those stand mounters last weekend), though I saw an ad today that has me thinking....


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JBL back then smoked, choosing to use the good form of the expression here :mrgreen: Check smaller studio JBL, sealed cabs. They made a bunch and a few really hold value so handy if you feel like a change, to bigger JBLs maybe.


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I've read a couple comparisons online, but there are few and far between. IIRC, they had different designers (different divisions for different markets) but used similar parts.

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JBL back then smoked, choosing to use the good form of the expression here :mrgreen: Check smaller studio JBL, sealed cabs. They made a bunch and a few really hold value so handy if you feel like a change, to bigger JBLs maybe.


Every try proof reading? I have no clue what you are saying.


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