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Period or Modern Performances?
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 20, 2018 4:01 am 
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For baroque or early classical music do you prefer period or modern performances ?

I like the wikipedia definition:

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Historically informed performance (also referred to as period performance, authentic performance, or HIP) is an approach to the performance of classical music, which aims to be faithful to the approach, manner and style of the musical era in which a work was originally conceived.


I much prefer the period performances because of the smaller size orchestras recorded in smaller venues. This brings a fresh take on old chestnuts.

How do you feel?

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 20, 2018 5:22 am 
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Like you Audio_Guy, my preference is usually period instruments/performance (but not exclusively so).


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Both have their beauty and their place ... the authenticity and intimacy of period recordings are often very revelatory as to how the composer meant his music to be performed. With strings, the added colour and power of a full orchestra can paint a much larger canvas than a baroque ensemble .... but I often enjoy and treasure the baroque performances of early string works.

With keyboard works, the power and dynamics of solo piano can be far more interesting than the monochromatic sound of a lonely harpsichord. I do enjoy the sound of a harpsichord in an orchestra, though.


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For those living in the Toronto area, I highly recommend concerts by Tafelmusik Baroque Orchestra and Chamber Choir with their Historically Informed Performances (HIP). Gramaphone magazine call them 'one of the world's best Baroque Orchestra.

And if you like Handel's Messiah, don't miss either the sit-down-and-listen Messiah performance at Christmas time. Or grab a score and go to their Sing-Along-Messiah.

https://www.tafelmusik.org

Tafelmusik is also the supporting orchestra for Opera Atelier that stages two operas annually in the Baroque fashion.

https://operaatelier.com

They are among the treasures of Canada.


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Audio_Guy wrote:
For baroque or early classical music do you prefer period or modern performances ?


You do realize this is the equivalent of a cable debate.
I'm no expert - but here goes

For violinists such as Pinchas Zukerman and Isaac Pearlman, at this entire school of performance,
their violin idol was Jascha Heifetz - simply referred to as "JH."
There are those who think this school of performance is the ultimate.
But for Vivaldi or Mozart, I find their over embellishment and use of vibrato, quite annoying.

For the Baroque era (1600 - 1750) and the Classical Era (1750 - 1825)
I only listen to performers who play with period correct manners
and specialize in their era.
Violin - Jeanne Lamon (Tafelmusic), Elizabeth Wallfish, Monica Huggett & Rachel Podger
Cello - Christophe Coin & Anner Blysma
Viole da Gamba - Jordi Savall

Another point - there is a difference between using period correct instruments,
and performing with period correct manners on modern instruments.
For example, a baroque violin bow is strung the opposite way than a modern bow.
Either is fine - and it all depends on the interpretation and performance - not the instruments

With one exception - I can't stand the timbre of a Piano Forte.
If Mozart or Beethoven has access to a modern Piano (cast iron frame)
I'm sure they would have performed on it instead of a Piano Forte (wood frame).

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Uunderhill wrote:
Audio_Guy wrote:
For baroque or early classical music do you prefer period or modern performances ?


You do realize this is the equivalent of a cable debate.
I'm no expert - but here goes

For violinists such as Pinchas Zukerman and Isaac Pearlman, at this entire school of performance,
their violin idol was Jascha Heifetz - simply referred to as "JH."
There are those who think this school of performance is the ultimate.
But for Vivaldi or Mozart, I find their over embellishment and use of vibrato, quite annoying.

For the Baroque era (1600 - 1750) and the Classical Era (1750 - 1825)
I only listen to performers who play with period correct manners.
Violin - Jeanne Lamon (Tafelmusic), Elizabeth Wallfish, Monica Huggett & Rachel Podger
Cello - Christophe Coin & Anner Blysma
Viole da Gamba - Jordi Savall

Another point - there is a difference between using period correct instruments,
and performing with period correct manners on modern instruments.
For example, a baroque violin bow is strung the opposite way than a modern bow.
Either is fine - and it all depends on the interpretation and performance - not the instruments

With one exception - I can't stand the timbre of a Piano Forte.
If Mozart or Beethoven has access to a modern Piano (cast iron frame)
I'm sure they would have performed on it instead of a Piano Forte (wood frame).

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Good post. For what its worth I am a big Jordi Savall fan.

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exposure to the recording of Orfeo by Harnoncourt back in the day got me interested in period practise but most especially the sound of original instruments.
Bach ,Handel and Vivaldi on original intruments generally my preference.
Moving later in history so far results mixed. Certainly Im with the poster about piano forte music -for whatever reason try as I wd to like it I dont-I want the modern piano.
Just a taste thing i expect but there it is


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One of the reasons I like classical music is because of the unusual and interesting textures in the instruments, in the sounds, in the tones. Listening to period Instruments simply expands on the tonal pallet that I can enjoy, so for me it's a no-brainer. As for technique, I'm no expert, but I can tell when a piece is being overly romanticized in the performance which kind of ruins it for me. Vivaldi should not sound like Paganini LOL.

The piano or the pianoforte, it took some getting used to but I kind of like the softer dynamics and warmer tone of the older pianoforte. I think, all instruments were softer and warmer back then...probably there would be less tinnitus and hearing damage if it had stayed that way.

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Uunderhill wrote:
Audio_Guy wrote:
For baroque or early classical music do you prefer period or modern performances ?


You do realize this is the equivalent of a cable debate.
I'm no expert - but here goes

For violinists such as Pinchas Zukerman and Isaac Pearlman, at this entire school of performance,
their violin idol was Jascha Heifetz - simply referred to as "JH."
There are those who think this school of performance is the ultimate.
But for Vivaldi or Mozart, I find their over embellishment and use of vibrato, quite annoying..


I'm curios to find out what you think about the Canuck Violinist James Ehnes.

I'm just starting to get involved in listening to Classical, mainly Symphonic.
Ott.


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period for me...better even original tempo and tuning.....or even spaces, going to Prague and Vienna next month!


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period for me...better even original tempo and tuning.....or even spaces, going to Prague and Vienna next month!

Vienna the city of music. Maybe you'll have the chance to catch this act:

https://youtu.be/ZwWciK2pG-4

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well, I will definitely look for her...hope she makes it there or at least the dog....I will be eating my schnitzel down the road there...I booked a couple of concerts for sure.


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Excellent post Uunderhill.

I am on the fence on this one but I think I have a hard time separating the sound of the some of the earlier period recordings from the performances. I don't read music and don't know what it should be like. I also prefer classical, romantic and modern era versus baroque or early music - just a preference.

I do recall that when period instrument records first started coming out in volume, many of these featured rather harsh ugly sound from early digital recordings. My good little British systems in those days could sound a bit ragged in the upper mids and treble so I did not usually listen to these LPs and cds as much.

Today, my systems are more natural (and forgiving) so they sound OK. I still prefer the lush incorrect Bach and Vivaldi because it is what I cut my classical teeth. I am not opposed to a good recording on period instruments but I own few of the newer ones since I disliked many of the older ones.

That said, I have some classical era stuff such as the Norrington Beethoven and Berlioz that offer a different perspective. Also own the Pinnock Mozart symphony cycle with the English Concert. Very different than the big scale HVK and Bohm cycles I first heard this music on.

Time to pull out some of the Accent and L'Oiseu Lyre LPs stuff out of the living room wall unit and give them a spin. There are a number of Hogwood records in there for sure.


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