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PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2018 5:31 am 
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Yesterday I was listening to a James Bond CD that I have played numerous time via my Arros. The only difference was I was listening to this via my Grado GH2. I heard what appears to be a sound of a LP playing including the "hiss" between tracks. I played it back numerous time and it would appear that the disk was recorded from a LP. I guess that is not too odd.
The question I have if I played this through a headphone DAC/Amp instead of just an amp, would this sound dissappear?

Also what cost would I have to invest to remove this sound(s)? Someone told me that all DAC's under $1000 are the same. Is this also true? thanks.

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I'm not an "expert" but as far as my knowledge goes that "hiss" is in the recording and a DAC isn't going to take it away. Your headphones are probably just more detailed than your speakers. As far as the claim all DAC's are the same under $1000 is completely false.


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2018 6:04 am 
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The notion that all DACs under 1000 bucks sound the same is just plain silly.


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cdnduck wrote:
Yesterday I was listening to a James Bond CD that I have played numerous time via my Arros. The only difference was I was listening to this via my Grado GH2. I heard what appears to be a sound of a LP playing including the "hiss" between tracks. I played it back numerous time and it would appear that the disk was recorded from a LP. I guess that is not too odd.
The question I have if I played this through a headphone DAC/Amp instead of just an amp, would this sound dissappear?

Also what cost would I have to invest to remove this sound(s)? Someone told me that all DAC's under $1000 are the same. Is this also true? thanks.

That's like saying all amps under $1,000 are all the same.


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2018 7:37 am 
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I've actually seen people post on forums saying that all amps sound the same. Regardless of cost.


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dmitchell wrote:
I've actually seen people post on forums saying that all amps sound the same. Regardless of cost.


Yeah, but they never disclose they have hearing issues.


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It’s not that big a stretch to say the sound transducer (speaker) that converts the electrical signal to a waveform is BY FAR the biggest factor in a system. Next would be the room. The amp can be a factor depending on the speaker impedance characteristics. For some speakers a decent amp above a certain minimum quality will sound almost identical to one many times it’s price. Other speakers are much more amp dependent. The preamp, in my opinion, makes more of a difference in tone. The Dac makes almost no difference. All digital sources are very similar.

It’s a question of degrees. I listen critically in terms of musical presentation and enjoyment. A pico percentage difference in distortion or resolution doesn’t make the slightest difference to me.

The question is. What kind of listener are you?


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malthuse wrote:
It’s not that big a stretch to say the sound transducer (speaker) that converts the electrical signal to a waveform is BY FAR the biggest factor in a system. Next would be the room. The amp can be a factor depending on the speaker impedance characteristics. For some speakers a decent amp above a certain minimum quality will sound almost identical to one many times it’s price. Other speakers are much more amp dependent. The preamp, in my opinion, makes more of a difference in tone. The Dac makes almost no difference. All digital sources are very similar.

It’s a question of degrees. I listen critically in terms of musical presentation and enjoyment. A pico percentage difference in distortion or resolution doesn’t make the slightest difference to me.

The question is. What kind of listener are you?


Thank you for acknowledgeing the room as a vital factor...Often this ignored...As far as digital goes, mine will always sound different because they will have to have tube output..

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From my experience,
what is recorded on a cd will be heard in hi-fidelity.
INCLUDING ALL SOUNDS IN THE SPECTRUM OF THE EARS. It's playback. :wink:


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cdnduck,

It could well be recorded from LP but the question is ... does the player show playing one continuous track, or have track numbers matching the record, 1,2,3, ...

If individual tracks then in theory there should be dead time between which should sound different than the actual sound of a record player between tracks.

If you find this "LP" sound to be pervasive between tracks on CDs then I would suspect noise somewhere ... ground loop? ... maybe/maybe not alleviated by throwing another piece of gear into the mix?


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Is sounds like this is just a matter of your grados and headphone amp are just more revealing/less forgiving than your arros and whatever amp you use with them. Investing in a separate DAC might have some effect on the hiss,, but A good Dac will play the sounds on the recording, even hiss. You’d have much more success replacing the Grados with a less revealing headphone.


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That's like saying all amps under $1,000 are all the same.[/quote]


Or hookers....... (so I've been told) :?


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brownslane wrote:
That's like saying all amps under $1,000 are all the same.



Or hookers....... (so I've been told) :?[/quote]

LOL. From what I understand, that is definitely one pasttime where you get what you pay for.


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I have a prerecorded CD that was recorded from a vinyl record.
It has surface noise,pops and ticks
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