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 Post subject: Cable Atheists forum
PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2018 1:12 pm 
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I been wondering, why in this age of inclusiveness and equality, there is no place for cable atheists to air there views, laugh at the preposterous claims made by manufacturers, wallow in the money we have saved ourselves buy not buying the Emperors new Clothes etc.
After all "the believers" have their own forum where where the can spread their beliefs, have their epiphany's etc - from which us non believers are banned from "questioning" their fevered beliefs.
Come on Mods fair is fair


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 Post subject: Re: Cable Atheists forum
PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2018 1:21 pm 
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It's like asking if there is a way we can get at free speech, and attack it.

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 Post subject: Re: Cable Atheists forum
PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2018 1:23 pm 
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Because yer trying to replicate these:

https://www.violinist.com/wiki/violin-strings/

You know what a violin sounds like??? Hey, they're made out of "gut"...

Or how about a guitar? They're made out of...wolverine's vocal chords???

C'mon...really...Start a new forum...

https://www.cmuse.org/best-classical-guitar-strings/

One more here: Nelson Pass
https://www.passlabs.com/sites/default/ ... classa.pdf

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There has been a failure in the attempt to use specifications to
characterize the subtleties of sonic performance. Amplifiers with similar
measurements are not equal, and products with higher power, wider
bandwidth, and lower distortion do not necessarily sound better.
Historically, that amplifier offering the most power, or the lowest IM
distortion, or the lowest THD, or the highest slew rate, or the lowest
noise, has not become a classic or even been more than a modest
success. For a long time there has been faith in the technical community
that eventually some objective analysis would reconcile critical listener's
subjective experience with laboratory measurement. Perhaps this will
occur, but in the meantime, audiophiles largely reject bench
specifications as an indicator of audio quality. This is appropriate.
Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. We
should no more let numbers define audio quality than we would let
chemical analysis be the arbiter of fine wines. Measurements can
provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment.


If you can't hear it...Go get a frikken hearing test!


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 Post subject: Re: Cable Atheists forum
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There has been a failure in the attempt to use specifications to
characterize the subtleties of sonic performance. Amplifiers with similar
measurements are not equal, and products with higher power, wider
bandwidth, and lower distortion do not necessarily sound better.
Historically, that amplifier offering the most power, or the lowest IM
distortion, or the lowest THD, or the highest slew rate, or the lowest
noise, has not become a classic or even been more than a modest
success. For a long time there has been faith in the technical community
that eventually some objective analysis would reconcile critical listener's
subjective experience with laboratory measurement. Perhaps this will
occur, but in the meantime, audiophiles largely reject bench
specifications as an indicator of audio quality. This is appropriate.
Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. We
should no more let numbers define audio quality than we would let
chemical analysis be the arbiter of fine wines. Measurements can
provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment.


If you can't hear it...Go get a frikken hearing test![/quote]

This goes to show that when it comes to audio everyone's experience with it is unique as to what sounds bad to some could be a nirvana for others. In my case, I built my system to my own taste and preference and I don't assume everybody will like how it sounds.


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 Post subject: Re: Cable Atheists forum
PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2018 2:31 pm 
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It's just a hobby not a religion...let people enjoy what they want. Who gives a sh*t what they think they hear or don't hear. I don't know why the same group of members go in circles for page after page when cables come up. Those threads have not helped anything but the posters egos on both sides of the argument.


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 Post subject: Re: Cable Atheists forum
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While I think the majority of cable enthusiasm besides oxygen free copper of a suitable gauge is....scientifically....creative, I also think my stereo sounds better at night so what the hell do I know.


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 Post subject: Re: Cable Atheists forum
PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2018 3:13 pm 
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Maybe because one is a nice discussion of shared experiences in the hobby, and the one you are suggesting is to make fun of people and be condecending, because you can't hear what they do?

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 Post subject: Re: Cable Atheists forum
PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2018 3:20 pm 
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^ Yes, I have to wonder what the line of dialogue would look in a thread like this. With everyone in agreement that cables make no difference, what's left but to bash the believers?

-- 21 Jul 2018 19:26 --

Otherwise, you could accidentally agree that cables share differing ergonomics and split those differences into a million tiny pieces. I mean, no one here actually uses coat hangers, do they? :mrgreen:

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 Post subject: Re: Cable Atheists forum
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The people who can't hear...Can't hear...It's as simple as that...

Now, some of them attempt to drag in "science" to support the fact that they...

CAN'T HEAR...

Does that make it "science"?

Or psychology?


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 Post subject: Re: Cable Atheists forum
PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2018 3:52 pm 
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I think my point is being missed - I am merely pointing out the the pro cable guys have their own a forum from which anybody who does not worship at that particular shrine is barred.
I was suggesting that perhaps those that did not believe have somewhere to air their views as well. Seems fair to me.


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 Post subject: Re: Cable Atheists forum
PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2018 3:58 pm 
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magman888 wrote:
I think my point is being missed - I am merely pointing out the the pro cable guys have their own a forum from which anybody who does not worship at that particular shrine is barred.
I was suggesting that perhaps those that did not believe have somewhere to air their views as well. Seems fair to me.


How about a "cartridges don't matter" area? Or "turntables don't matter"? Or better yet, "CD player's don't matter" area?

There is no "worship" that I'm aware of....Please...Post some evidence...Or point the way to the "shrine"...

Gotta be a burning bush around here somewhere...


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 Post subject: Re: Cable Atheists forum
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magman888 wrote:
I think my point is being missed - I am merely pointing out the the pro cable guys have their own a forum from which anybody who does not worship at that particular shrine is barred.
I was suggesting that perhaps those that did not believe have somewhere to air their views as well. Seems fair to me.


What type cable do you use? The shoe string type that came bundled with your old VCR or something a little better? If the later, is that not believing that a cable can make a difference?


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 Post subject: Re: Cable Atheists forum
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magman888 wrote:
I think my point is being missed - I am merely pointing out the the pro cable guys have their own a forum from which anybody who does not worship at that particular shrine is barred.
I was suggesting that perhaps those that did not believe have somewhere to air their views as well. Seems fair to me.

oh my....
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 Post subject: Re: Cable Atheists forum
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magman888 wrote:
I think my point is being missed - I am merely pointing out the the pro cable guys have their own a forum from which anybody who does not worship at that particular shrine is barred.
I was suggesting that perhaps those that did not believe have somewhere to air their views as well. Seems fair to me.


Personally, I think you have a relevant point and it looks like a lot of those who disagree are attacking you and criticizing your disbelief. Er, isn't that exactly what we don't want here?

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 Post subject: Re: Cable Atheists forum
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I must admit I try to stay out of the cable argument but once in a while someone posts something really outlandish and it’s so ridiculous I respond. This happened recently when someone posted that their previously unlistenable system was made listenable by a cable change. It’s similar to when I meet fellow cammers. They split between those who talk about the SOUND of the system, and those who talk mostly about the VALUE of the system. I suspect the value people are also cable believers. It’s doesn’t seem to be about sound but about gear nicely packaged and cryogenically sealed etc.. the more expensive the better.

I agree that it’s a hobby and people can have their own perspective but I can’t think of another hobby where people subscribe to complete nonsense and willingly spend hard earned money on it. The equivalent in a car would be using pure hospital grade oxygen instead of air in tyres and expecting a greater performance.

I think it’s a good idea, but why not expand it to snake oil products design to suck money out of you. That could be a thread that goes on for many years.


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