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PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2018 9:37 am 
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I have LRC Elac Uni-fi bookshelf speakers. Currently using regular speaker wire from the hardware store. Any suggestions with cost being a factor here...? Hooked up to a new Denon AVR 3400


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Buy Canadian ;)
What's the budget ceiling?

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Unity Audio wrote:
Buy Canadian ;)
What's the budget ceiling?


If i said 100 bux would that be too low?


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If your speaker wire from hardware store is at least 12 gage copper and reasonable length (lets say 10-12 feet), you are fine.
There is very little to gain with thicker wire given your amp that will maybe produce 80W per channel, 2 channels driven.


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Bandy wrote:
If your speaker wire from hardware store is at least 12 gage copper and reasonable length (lets say 10-12 feet), you are fine.
There is very little to gain with thicker wire given your amp that will maybe produce 80W per channel, 2 channels driven.


AMPLIFIER 7.1
Input Sensitivity 200 mV
AMPLIFIER OUTPUT DETAILS
Output Power / Channel 105 Watt, 135 Watt
Output Impedance / Channel 6 Ohm, 8 Ohm
Frequency Response 20 - 20000 Hz, at 1 kHz
Total Harmonic Distortion (THD) 0.08 %, 0.7 %


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Captain_Howdy wrote:
Unity Audio wrote:
Buy Canadian ;)
What's the budget ceiling?


If i said 100 bux would that be too low?


No such thing as too low.

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I recommend single-crystal copper as the best conductor bang for the buck, both as speaker cables and as interconnects.

This wire is sometimes called OCC (for Ohno Continuous Cast) or PC-OCC.

For speakers, even a smaller (cheaper) gauge of this wire is worth having, over regular copper.


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Mogami from take five audio


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The purest copper speaker cable is what you want I think.


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Captain_Howdy wrote:
Bandy wrote:
If your speaker wire from hardware store is at least 12 gage copper and reasonable length (lets say 10-12 feet), you are fine.
There is very little to gain with thicker wire given your amp that will maybe produce 80W per channel, 2 channels driven.


AMPLIFIER 7.1
Input Sensitivity 200 mV
AMPLIFIER OUTPUT DETAILS
Output Power / Channel 105 Watt, 135 Watt
Output Impedance / Channel 6 Ohm, 8 Ohm
Frequency Response 20 - 20000 Hz, at 1 kHz
Total Harmonic Distortion (THD) 0.08 %, 0.7 %


These specs are based on ONE channel driven at the time. In reality, if you drive 2 channels, maybe 70-80 W per channel.
The unit power consumption is 320W. Deduct 20% (estimating) for heat production :-), u r left with 256W divide by 7 channels = 36W per channel.


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Two reasonable choices from CAM dealers--Unity Audio or Take Five Audio ( Mogami ). I like and use OCC but I wouldn't spend that kind of money until further down the road ( if indeed you ever go down the road. )

The problem with hardware store cables is that they have to be terminated ( IMO one of the most important part of any cable.) Unity or Take Five will use decent connectors and do a much better job than you likely can.


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The problem with hardware store cables is that they have to be terminated ( IMO one of the most important part of any cable.) Unity or Take Five will use decent connectors and do a much better job than you likely can.


What termination are we speaking of? Are you suggesting that speaker cables need termination? Like spades or banana plugs?
Do you have any measurements that "unterminated" wire performs worse the wire with crimped spades on it?


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Didn’t see anything about performance with terminated vs unterminated. Not sure why this is being brought up for debate. Users prefer terminated speaker wire for various reasons. Do we really need to argue this?


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Bandy wrote:
Captain_Howdy wrote:
Bandy wrote:
If your speaker wire from hardware store is at least 12 gage copper and reasonable length (lets say 10-12 feet), you are fine.
There is very little to gain with thicker wire given your amp that will maybe produce 80W per channel, 2 channels driven.


AMPLIFIER 7.1
Input Sensitivity 200 mV
AMPLIFIER OUTPUT DETAILS
Output Power / Channel 105 Watt, 135 Watt
Output Impedance / Channel 6 Ohm, 8 Ohm
Frequency Response 20 - 20000 Hz, at 1 kHz
Total Harmonic Distortion (THD) 0.08 %, 0.7 %


These specs are based on ONE channel driven at the time. In reality, if you drive 2 channels, maybe 70-80 W per channel.
The unit power consumption is 320W. Deduct 20% (estimating) for heat production :-), u r left with 256W divide by 7 channels = 36W per channel.


The speakers are 4ohm....does that help me at all here? The Denon is rated for 4 ohms


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More importantly - what goals are you trying to achieve from this upgrade?

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