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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 6:12 am 
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I have a very small listening room 10 x 10 that is loaded with guitars amps and of course my 2.1 channel set up. I am currently running an Anthem line 1, Anthem Integrated 1, switching between PSB Gold i and PSB 300s the latter mounted on the end walls. I have an Paradigm sub and listen to all types of music on a Strathclyde (micro glider) table Marantz cd player and Fiio x5. I sometimes switch in my Anthem 225 integrated. I have not using special cables and do not have room treatments. I am looking for a better, cleaner, different type of sound and have a line on a set of B&W 601 s3's. that are a 2 hour drive away so I cannot preview on my set up. Any thoughts if these will be an upgrade, downgrade or sideways change in my sound? How do they compare to the 300's? much thanks in advance.


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Have you heard your system set up in the room, but without the guitar amps ?

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I have a very small listening room 10 x 10 that is loaded with guitars amps


I presume the guitar amps are not just heads but include one or more speakers in cabinets. If so, the speaker diaphragms will act as passive radiators with a time delay, changing the response of the room and smearing the sound.

Your room already has a very pronounced sound of its own because of its size and square floor plan. If this room is also really full of those extra passive radiators, any new hi-fi speaker you swap in is likely to sound similar to the previous one.

If it were me, I would want to know if I were still unsatisfied with my system's sound once the guitar amps were out of the room. The 10 x 10 dimensions would likely still be a problem, solvable only by room treatment and/or equalization, but I would have a better chance to hear the sound of my speaker.


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Agree.

I had a 1930's radio in the same area as my listening room. At times, I thought I was hearing sound behind me. I eventually put my ear to the speaker in the radio and it was, in essence, playing due to sound waves/vibration.

Remove the gear, or - move your listening area first.


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Good thoughts...I just counted and there are a total of 20 speakers in the room...When/ if I start to move them out of my listening space and the wife sees me I might as well keep going out the door it will be that bad...One thing i did notice, I once sneezed close to where my guitars were hanging..WOW sounded like the background noise coming from a casino guitar strings vibrating quite loud. ...thanks for the feedback....


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Well... OK, if the speakers are facing out into the room, how about turning them to face the wall ? Just something to try.

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there are a total of 20 speakers in the room...When/ if I start to move them out of my listening space and the wife sees me I might as well keep going out the door it will be that bad


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use a jumper, short the speaker terminals. this causes the system to be loaded and dissipates energy quickly, it kills the resonance from the extra speaker systems.

the guitars, put a folded paper napkin near the neck/pickup, under the strings, so there is least some contact with all six strings. This will damp them out. For an acoustic, a small towel, folded, over the sound hole and also contacting the strings.

These solutions are not perfect but they will help tremendously.

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Gotta agree with Ken here, simply putting the amps so they face the wall won't help, but shorting the speaker terminals will turn the amp into a sound absorber...

Just make damn sure you remove the short before you plug the amp in! Make some tags for the power switches!

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I sit here reading these suggestions with the thought, why didn't I think of that? Has anyone actually listened to both of these speakers, notwithstanding the other components? What are the major differences between them?


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wckgitcrazy wrote:
I sit here reading these suggestions with the thought, why didn't I think of that? Has anyone actually listened to both of these speakers, notwithstanding the other components? What are the major differences between them?

The 601 S2 is a surprisingly good speaker. IMO that series is the one of the better audio values if you can get them at a decent price. For a B&W they are forgiving and the bass is good for the size. You will certainly get that cleaner sound. PSB 300's don't disappoint considering the used prices but I can't think of anything they do better than 601 S2's. You can pair the 300's with almost anything so that's a positive.


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I still own a pair of mint PSB 300s and while I don't have comparison notes I can tell you they are very easy to live with. They were my main speakers for about 5 years until recently and now are in my bedroom system.

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wckgitcrazy wrote:
I sit here reading these suggestions with the thought, why didn't I think of that? Has anyone actually listened to both of these speakers, notwithstanding the other components? What are the major differences between them?


The PSB 300 is a small bookshelf with flat freq response but not much bass, easy to drive and easy to listen to.

Freq Resp: 75hz - 20khz +- 2db
Sensitivity: 91 db
Impedance: 6ohms

If you like the sound but want more low end look for a pair of PSB 800's. but in your room more bass will be a problem without room treatments. In a small square room floorstanders are difficult, small monitors on stands away from the walls should provide better sound and help avoid bass problems. Also avoid rear ported speakers. I had a room of similar size to yours...not fun


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Agree with James W. Those old B&Ws were really very decent. I have the earlier and larger 602. My room is similar in size and the B&Ws worked well. The 601s2 will not have as much bass but will be cleaner and more open sounding. Use it biwired if you can.


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wckgitcrazy wrote:
Good thoughts...I just counted and there are a total of 20 speakers in the room...When/ if I start to move them out of my listening space and the wife sees me I might as well keep going out the door it will be that bad...One thing i did notice, I once sneezed close to where my guitars were hanging..WOW sounded like the background noise coming from a casino guitar strings vibrating quite loud. ...thanks for the feedback....


I have the same issue with guitars in my music room. For acoustics, try sound hole covers. For the Casino with F holes...it likely would not take much to craft some foam inserts from foam to baffle the sound. Just a thought.
My guitars that actually hang on the wall are worse for when standing and talking in the room. The ones on stands are more sensitive to the speakers.
Reminds me of a famous musician (the name escapes me right now) that had an acoustic guitar "tuned open" in a studio and when it was just sitting on a stand it made this cool haunting droning feedback like sound. So what does any creative musician do? Threw a mic in front of it during the session. :wink:

And "...thanks for the feedback..."...that was well placed. :lol:

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