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PostPosted: Sat Feb 03, 2018 5:08 pm 
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About 6 months ago, I was lucky enough to come across a great deal on a used pair ATC SCM19 v2 standmounts.

They blew away all the standmounts I had tried before by a significant margin, including KEF LS50, Focal Aria 906, Wharfedale Jade 3, ATC SCM11 and a few others. Granted, the retail price of the 19s is about twice that of any others I’ve tried, so it should not be a surprise. But still, in my research I’m not finding any other standmounts more recommended for under $5K than these (perhaps even way more).

So my question is this: Should I even bother trying anything else? My max budget would be about $3K or so used (not interested in new). I’ve heard good things about Totems, but nothing that says they can beat these ATCs. Any suggestions?


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The big question is what do you like about the SCM19 and what are you yearning for? Also, what other gear are you using? I can tell you that ATC and Totem as a whole sound very, very different.

As far as I understand, ATCs love power. One day I'd love to A/B the passive and active 19.


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Since speakers are a personal choice nobody else can actually tell you what you'll like better than the ones you have. Since buying a pair of ATC SCM 40's I've had no reason ( or desire ) to try and replace them because I think they're that good. I'm always looking for stuff to try that I haven't heard before ( magnepan's come to mind) but I'm not likely to replace the SCM40's. I had Harbeth SHL5's when I bought the 40's and it didn't take long to send the Harbeths down the road.

Since you mention Totems I will point out that I own Totem Fires ( great speakers ) but not good enough to replace the ATC's in my main system. I also have a pair of Model One Signiture's and they're very good but they won't run with your SCM19's. Had a pair of Mani 2 Signiture's which are a hoot to listen to but not as balanced as the ATC's. If you do try something keep the ATC's till your sure that you like the new ones better. I say this because when I brought the Fires home I originally thought I liked them better because they have a slightly more exciting presentation than the ATC's but after about two weeks I started to miss the incredibly balanced presentation of the 40's.

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The next step beyond while keeping everything you like about your current ATCs would be a pair of active ATCs. Unfortunately that's gonna break your $3k budget.

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There is certainly life after them but expect to lose out on the 19's ability to play loud and keep sounding better thanks to the SL woofer. Try to demo replacements before parting with the 19's.

What is your associated gear? What attributes do you value the most about a speaker?

IMO the 19's retail price range +/- $2000 is stacked with great standmount options of different flavours. Dynaudio Special 40's and used C1's should be on the short list. You could get a wonderful small ProAc Response series floorstanding speaker that would have a similar footprint. I enjoyed Neat SX3i's and Audio Note AN-J/Lx Hemp more than SCM19 v2's but they are not going to be everyone's cup of tea.


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I definitely will NOT be selling the ATCs before finding a replacement. There’s not much I would say I would like to improve. Perhaps to be ever so slightly more forgiving in the treble with some lesser recordings (but then of course there the risk of losing that sparkle/magic with great recordings). Maybe a bit of a larger soundstage too. I listen to mostly rock/alternative/folk/Jazz. Trying to get into some classical. Right now I’m running them with a Schiit Gumby+Freya+Vidar. I’ve also got a Cambridge Audio 251w power amp, which I really just wanted to see if the extra power was needed for them. It’s not - I think my room is too small for that (Approx 11’ x 17’) - the Vidar appears to have plenty of power for what I need. The other thing I was considering recently is perhaps some different speaker cables to sweeten up the highs (just using a 10’ pair of generic 12 awg copper with bananas right now) but I’ve never really been a cable believer. Then again, I’ve never owned a system this resolving. I could also keep experimenting with tubes as well for the Freya. I will probably continue to play with other parts of my system, but still curious nonetheless about other speakers.


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msommers wrote:
The big question is what do you like about the SCM19 and what are you yearning for? Also, what other gear are you using? I can tell you that ATC and Totem as a whole sound very, very different.

As far as I understand, ATCs love power. One day I'd love to A/B the passive and active 19.


The active 19s would be a dream I think, but way outside what I’m looking to spend at this point in my life. The active 20s (pro ATCs) look interesting though.

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Had a pair of Mani 2 Signiture's which are a hoot to listen to but not as balanced as the ATC's. If you do try something keep the ATC's till your sure that you like the new ones better. I say this because when I brought the Fires home I originally thought I liked them better because they have a slightly more exciting presentation than the ATC's but after about two weeks I started to miss the incredibly balanced presentation of the 40's.


I was considering trying the Mani 2 Sigs - what is their sound like compared to the ATCs?


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There is certainly life after them but expect to lose out on the 19's ability to play loud and keep sounding better thanks to the SL woofer. Try to demo replacements before parting with the 19's.

What is your associated gear? What attributes do you value the most about a speaker?

IMO the 19's retail price range +/- $2000 is stacked with great standmount options of different flavours. Dynaudio Special 40's and used C1's should be on the short list. You could get a wonderful small ProAc Response series floorstanding speaker that would have a similar footprint. I enjoyed Neat SX3i's and Audio Note AN-J/Lx Hemp more than SCM19 v2's but they are not going to be everyone's cup of tea.


Don’t really need to play super loud, but I do love how distortion free they are even at high vol.

Associated gear is above. The Special 40s I have been keeping an eye on, and I almost bought your Neat SX3i from you. They looked very promising.


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You could try the pmc twenty5 22. I had the twenty 22 and it’s the one speaker I really regret selling.

-- 04 Feb 2018 05:34 --

Oh and also the Harbeth SHL5+. Still technically a standmount.


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You could try the pmc twenty5 22. I had the twenty 22 and it’s the one speaker I really regret selling.

-- 04 Feb 2018 05:34 --

Oh and also the Harbeth SHL5+. Still technically a standmount.


The SHL are a bit bigger than I think I’m looking for, but the PMC twenty5 series interest me for sure. I assume the 21s may be a bit too small? How would you describe the sound of the 22s?


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The 22s probably sound a little tighter and leaner than your atcs. I found they presented a very engaging sound that could fill a large room easily. The bass is very high quality for a small stand mount, the lower frequencies are there but they are also very well defined. We’re not talking about a warm sound here, more of a complete, cohesive, picture across the frequencies. The imaging and soundstage were excellent. End of the day when music was played through them I peeked up and paid attention. The twenty5 series is supposed to be outstanding.


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Hmmm.....you're going to miss them. Keep them and pick up a pair of Dynaudio 52s for $500ish to get an understanding of what the C1s/Special 40s may do for you. Easy to spend someone else's money....but the ATCs are special. You can do same with some PMC TB1.....


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weisbe wrote:
Easy to spend someone else's money....

I think most people offering opinions on this thread have spent their own money to provide knowledge on suggestions/alternative choices.


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+1 on the Nola and the Reynaud, although you’d actually want the Bliss Silver AND the associated stands. Those along with the ATC would be my short list. If you ever get the chance to hear the Salk/Ellis 1801b, take it. I myself would love to hear the Dyn Special 40 and also the wallet-draining Contour 20.


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