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PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2018 11:04 am 
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Teo Audio GCII RCA Cable "Round Robin" tour.

Like the title says.

We're going to try out a 'round robin' tour of canada (mostly Ontario/Quebec, I expect), for the new GCII RCA cable.

I guess we'll see what people think of it.

Cable is ready to go....

Graham is probably the first, as he expressed an interest in it and was the first buyer of the original GC cable.

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What differences are there bewteen GC-I and II?

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What differences are there bewteen GC-I and II?



They look almost the same..but internally are different.

Slightly More expensive due to different materials and techniques, regarding the new one, the GCII.

Both contain proprietary materials and proprietary design.

We rarely, if ever, speak on the innovations within, as that just arms competition. :)

In our opinion, the changes in costs and qualities warrant a greater price difference than is published, but that's just the way we decided to play it out. Lets just say that, according to how the market usually runs itself, this much of a quality increase would normally warrant a near doubling of price.

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If my understanding is correct...you are going to 'loan out' the cable to various individuals to see what they think of it...

If that is true you can certainly put my name down as someone who would be willing to try it out in their system. :D

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Voodoo Funk wrote:
If my understanding is correct...you are going to 'loan out' the cable to various individuals to see what they think of it...

If that is true you can certainly put my name down as someone who would be willing to try it out in their system. :D


ok, we're beginning to get a list going.... (you are number three, not number two)

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Teo Audio wrote:
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If my understanding is correct...you are going to 'loan out' the cable to various individuals to see what they think of it...

If that is true you can certainly put my name down as someone who would be willing to try it out in their system. :D


ok, we're beginning to get a list going.... (you are number three, not number two)


Cool. :D

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Teo Audio wrote:
ripblade wrote:
What differences are there bewteen GC-I and II?



They look almost the same..but internally are different.

Slightly More expensive due to different materials and techniques, regarding the new one, the GCII.

Both contain proprietary materials and proprietary design.

We rarely, if ever, speak on the innovations within, as that just arms competition. :)

In our opinion, the changes in costs and qualities warrant a greater price difference than is published, but that's just the way we decided to play it out. Lets just say that, according to how the market usually runs itself, this much of a quality increase would normally warrant a near doubling of price.

Still not phono compatible, then?

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I would definitely like the opportunity as well. I have been putting off giving these a try as I am still trying to determine whether or not I will run fully balanced or single ended. I have another set of balanced cables on their way to test against my singled ended so it would be ideal if my turn comes up in a month or two.


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Still not phono compatible, then?



Due to the nature of how it conducts, it will never be phono (uV and mV) compatible. Odd, but there it is. Yet, it does everything right, in all the ways you'd expect. On the surface, this is contradictory.... but in the analysis of the physics, it makes perfect sense.

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Teo Audio wrote:
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Still not phono compatible, then?



Due to the nature of how it conducts, it will never be phono (uV and mV) compatible. Odd, but there it is. Yet, it does everything right, in all the ways you'd expect. On the surface, this is contradictory.... but in the analysis of the physics, it makes perfect sense.

Line level involves uV and mV too, so what's different here? Capacitance, inductance....?

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Teo Audio wrote:
Voodoo Funk wrote:
If my understanding is correct...you are going to 'loan out' the cable to various individuals to see what they think of it...

If that is true you can certainly put my name down as someone who would be willing to try it out in their system. :D


ok, we're beginning to get a list going.... (you are number three, not number two)



Hello
Please place me on your list, I am very interested trying your new Game Changer II.
Thank you, Terry

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Depending on the length I'd be interested in comparing them to the GC's I bought a few months ago.


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I've been eager to try Teo cables and would really enjoy being part of this tour if possible.


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I'd appreciate it being cleaned up, and the wholly inappropriate posts being removed. Maybe Including this post, not sure....yet.

But for a second, to address the complexities of the science, or in this case, the fundamental physics of the cable.....

Here's one..and these articles are appearing daily...:

Physicists extend stochastic thermodynamics deeper into quantum territory (published feb 13/2018, ie today)

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Physicists have extended one of the most prominent fluctuation theorems of classical stochastic thermodynamics, the Jarzynski equality, to quantum field theory. As quantum field theory is considered to be the most fundamental theory in physics, the results allow the knowledge of stochastic thermodynamics to be applied, for the first time, across the full range of energy and length scales.

The physicists, Anthony Bartolotta, a graduate student at Caltech, and Sebastian Deffner, Physics Professor at the University of Maryland Baltimore County, have written a paper on the Jarzynski equality for quantum field theories that will be published in an upcoming issue of Physical Review X.

The work address one of the biggest challenges in fundamental physics, which is to determine how the laws of classical thermodynamics can be extended to the quantum scale. Understanding work and heat flow at the level of subatomic particles would benefit a wide range of areas, from designing nanoscale materials to understanding the evolution of the early universe.

As Bartolotta and Deffner explain in their paper, in contrast to the large leaps made in the "microscopic theories" of classical and quantum mechanics during the past century, the development of thermodynamics has been rather stagnant over that time.

Although thermodynamics was originally developed to describe the relation between energy and work, the theory traditionally applies only to systems that change infinitely slowly. In 1997, physicist Christopher Jarzynski at the University of Maryland College Park introduced a way to extend thermodynamics to systems in which heat and energy transfer processes occur at any rate. The fluctuation theorems, the most prominent of which is now called the Jarzynski equality, have made it possible to understand the thermodynamics of a wider range of smaller, yet still classical, systems.

"Thermodynamics is a phenomenological theory to describe the average behavior of heat and work," Deffner told Phys.org. "Originally designed to improve big, stinky heat engines, it was not capable of describing small systems and systems that operate far from equilibrium. The Jarzynski equality dramatically broadened the scope of thermodynamics and laid the groundwork for stochastic thermodynamics, which is a new and very active branch of research."

Stochastic thermodynamics deals with classical thermodynamic concepts such as work, heat, and entropy, but on the level of fluctuating trajectories of atoms and molecules. This more detailed picture is particularly important for understanding thermodynamics in small-scale systems, which is also the realm of various emerging applications.

It wasn't for another decade, however, until the Jarzynski equality and other fluctuation theorems were extended to the quantum scale, at least up to a point. In 2007, researchers determined how quantum effects modify the usual interpretation of work. However, many questions still remain and overall, the area of quantum stochastic thermodynamics is still incomplete. Against this backdrop, the results of the new study represent a significant advance.

"Now, in 2018 we have taken the next big step forward," Deffner said. "We have generalized stochastic thermodynamics to quantum field theories (QFT). In a certain sense we have extended stochastic thermodynamics to its ultimate range of validity, since QFT is designed to be the most fundamental theory in physics."

One of the keys to the achievement was to develop a completely novel graph theoretic approach, which allowed the researchers to classify and combine the Feynman diagrams used to describe particle behavior in a new way. More specifically, the approach makes it possible to precisely calculate infinite sums of all the possible permutations (or arrangements) of disconnected subdiagrams describing the particle trajectories.


"The quantity we were interested in, the work, is different than the quantities usually calculated by particle theorists and thus required a different approach," Bartolotta said.

The physicists expect that the results will allow other scientists to apply the fluctuation theorems to a wide variety of problems at the forefront of physics, such as in particle physics, cosmology, and condensed matter physics. This includes studying things like quantum engines, the thermodynamic properties of graphene, and the quark gluon plasma produced in heavy ion colliders—some of the most extreme conditions found in nature.

In the future, the physicists plan to generalize their approach to a wider variety of quantum field theories, which will open up even further possibilities.


If one wants a description of how the cables work, one would have to understand this emergent work and a few dozen other things that remain undefined.

classical thermodynamics is in the realm of the bulk analysis of solids, for the most part. Even in how it deals with fluids and gases. This is where it falls apart, in modern analysis.

This is a fluid, which changes the rules to a combination of classical and quantum analysis of all of the systems, combined. Across multiple fields of physics. Together. all at once. And the even bigger headache thrown in for fun: dynamically, as the statement in the article is..about:"but on the level of fluctuating trajectories of atoms and molecules". Ie, a fluid lies in this area of complexity. Note the cable is a fluid metal.....

And science, cutting edge, bleeding edge physics.... is not clear on any single one of these complexities.

So Ken is somehow supposed to prove something. To nail the numbers so people can look at white sheets, and such, and have things "explained' to them.

Well sucks to be you and everyone else. Not happening any time soon. :)

But, on the other hand, I do (no we here in this post, I don't speak for Taras in such missives) very likely have more experience in doing engineering work this area (fluid transmission line and associated parameters, and more) than anyone else out there. At least at this time. Which means that some of my analysis literally is bleeding edge. And proprietary analysis in this area is, by it's nature, going to be quite valuable. So I don't share it. Simple logic. In this case, it's not just cutting edge stuff, it is business, ie future explosions of technological advance down various lines of emergent physics. I prefer altruism and openness myself, but in this case, it would just be intellectual rape by others, for personal advance -if I open my mouth. In such, I would simultaneously suffer the barbs and attacks of the ones who don't understand but still tilt strongly at the windmills. A maximum dose of loss and beatings -in multiple directions.

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Does the cable sound great? In the majority of accounts, yes it does. We're done here, as the explanation of the physics isn't going to happen any time soon.

Some of you would like to hear some of that 'scientific advance' as well, hence the thread. Lets have some fun listening. Let's see if the emergent science and it's engineering is capable of bringing something new, something better to the table..to the service of music...than wire can.

The result seems to be that many people do indeed feel that way. Some of the accounts are so far out there, that it's difficult to imagine it being anything else.

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I would be interested in this demo as well. Let me know the particulars. I have some Nordost cables to compare.

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