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All amateur and professional sound system engineers are invited to complete the design of this system by recommending an amp & speakers combo to meet the following specs:

1) The system must be designed to play classical music first and foremost.
2) The source is already in place, Linux PC Server, Bryston DAC and Preamp.
3) Budget $12,000 CDN.
4) Must be able to play soft and sweet late at night.
5) Must be able to fill the room with sweet beautiful clear music when the wife is away.
6) The living space is large, 1,000 Sq.ft with 10 ft ceilings and large stairwell to the 2nd floor.

If you need more info to complete the design let me know.

Thanks in Advance ...

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If this helps, I am a huge fan of Jordi Savall and Baroque music in general.

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What does the specific word "design" mean in this context?

When I shop for, let's say, groceries am I designing a grocery order or designing dinner? :?


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Audio_Guy wrote:
All amateur and professional sound system engineers are invited to complete the design of this system by recommending an amp & speakers combo to meet the following specs:

1) The system must be designed to play classical music first and foremost.
2) The source is already in place, Linux PC Server, Bryston DAC and Preamp.
3) Budget $12,000 CDN.
4) Must be able to play soft and sweet late at night.
5) Must be able to fill the room with sweet beautiful clear music when the wife is away.
6) The living space is large, 1,000 Sq.ft with 10 ft ceilings and large stairwell to the 2nd floor.

If you need more info to complete the design let me know.

Thanks in Advance ...

Why Bryston just a little shrill.


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that would be about the price of the ATC SCM40A.


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If this helps, I am a huge fan of Jordi Savall and Baroque music in general.

Is that all you listen to? What about rock or pop, or pop rock?

Be nice to see a floor plan as well...

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Triode labs 2A3 amp and Coherent Speakers, the 15's demo'd in Hamilton last year. Change the pre and have the room filled with enjoyment.

The room was huge and just waiting to sound like crap with all the hard surfaces, but I couldn't believe how much ooomph and texture the sound had. I did not hear classical through it, but have no doubt a demo could be arranged. Really worth the time.

Not sure, but you might even have change left. There is a thread with pictures, I will look for it and link it here when I find it.


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Firstly decide how much you want to spend on each. I reccommend $4000 on the amp and $8000 on the speakers approximately, give or take a grand.

I am a big classical fan and for speakers in that range I personally would be looking for
Tannoy Kensington GR or SE
PMC Fact 8

These are used prices.

For the amp and assuming you get these speakers I would buy and actually own:
McCormack DNA500 or a Hegel.

A fantastic amp that can be had for cheap compared to its quality. The amp is not nearly as important as the speakers though.

...or. A pair of Tannoy Canterbury SE that are currently for sale for $12000 and a $300 quad 303. For me the speakers quality is by far the greatest bang for buck. You can always upgrade the amp later.

The Tannoys play very well at low volume and can fill a big room easily and effortlessly.


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Speakers, Harbeth M30.2 Dynaudio Special Forty.


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Without more details I'll throw out recommendations currently listed on CAM assuming you can hear them first somewhere. The 802 D2's are not my cup of tea but they do Classical very well. I'd personally hold out for used ATC 100's or JBL M2's, one or the other will become part of my 2 sets of long term speakers in the next not too distant future. The remainder of your budget could be spent on a proper amp after the speakers were purchased.

Legacy Focus SE
Harbeth 40.1
B&W 802 D2
ELAC FS 507 VX-JET
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ripblade wrote:
Audio_Guy wrote:
If this helps, I am a huge fan of Jordi Savall and Baroque music in general.

Is that all you listen to? What about rock or pop, or pop rock?

Be nice to see a floor plan as well...


Ripblade, Classical music gets me through the day from morning to night except when I'm driving around in my pick up truck, then I play Hank, Loretta, Johnny Cash and Buck Owens etc .......

The other thing is that I have found classical music the most difficult for any system to reproduce at home. If a system can do classical everything else is easy.

Thanks to everyone else who has made suggestions so far.

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Hello Audio_Guy:

For a room that size you should consider planar speakers. If you visit this link: https://www.audioasylum.com/cgi/vt.mpl?f=mug&m=232710
you can read an ongoing discussion about taming a 49' X 32' room energized by a pair of large Maggies, MG 20's I believe.

There is a pair of MG 20.1 for sale on CAM but the bad news is they are across the country. Power these with a Sanders Magtech- one was recently
listed on CAM for $4100 or quality Class D amp and your dream system is almost complete.


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I listen to mostly classical too, and more chamber music these day, but no one speaker can do it all. For acoustic music I find planar dipoles really shine, particularly full range ribbons like the Apogee Duetta, but you need a Krell to drive them if you want dynamics.

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Can planars do soft and sweet late at night?
I always thought they needed some volume to come alive.
Maybe I am swayed by an old TAS review of the MG2.5/R by Harry Pearson.


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Hi,

I hesitate to add 2 cents but here goes.

First, I suggest, for the money you want to spend that you separate the realm of quality speakers into two categories; the flavour of the month category, and those that are descended from widely recognized land-mark designs. I will only refer here to the second group. Since you love classical this is fairly easy as there is one specific design, the LS3/6, that was specifically tailored for classical reproduction. I have spent the past thirty years essentially navigating away from LS3/6 speakers, even though they pretty much taught me everything I know about sound, only to return to them recently and to be essentially staggered by their musical nature.

There are several direct lineal descendants of the LS3/6 and all use modern materials technology but are built and matched and voiced using the original parameters as guides. Here are three.

Spendor SP1/2 R2
Harbeth SHL5 Plus
Stirling Broadcast LS3/6

All of these speakers are recognized as monitor level units in the broadcast industry and are used by speaker designers world-wide as reference points. Any of them will provide a life-time of musical enjoyment and they are all quite amplifier flexible and will immediately tell you what any amp you drop in your system sounds like while making the choice of an amp a more personal choice.

For a tube amp to match the above trio I would lean to Japan - Leben and Shindo, although the latter is likely a budget buster.

In solid state amps the British amps will do the best job with the above speakers and Exposure or Naim (sigh) is recommended.

Have fun!

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