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PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2018 9:05 pm 
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OK. Both, but if you need just one it is the phono stage for sure...


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Great point. If you want to try different carts in the future, would be nice not to have the preamp holding you back, or masking any differences.
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Phono pre will make the biggest difference... and like the man said.... it can stay while you try different Cartridges...On another note, received the Brand New ModWright PH9 prototype phono pre... been using it for a couple weeks.... very very nice... excellent separation and depth.... loving it...


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...phono stage..."build it...and they will come..." ..."they" being better carts down the road...

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I have just completed these upgrades myself
In the start of the year I replaced my phono stage from a Edwards Audio stage to
a EAR 834P this was a huge upgrade in every way and
in the last week I just replaced my cart. from a Ortofon 2M Black to a Goldring 2500
with great results
So in my case the the phono stage was by far the biggest change but it was also the biggest
cost difference Edwards Audio $350.00 EAR. $1499.00
and Ortofon 2M Black $799.00 Goldring 2500 $899.00


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Cartridge loading would have the biggest influence on a phono stage.
I'm surprised it's not mentioned more often.

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sasquatch wrote:
Cartridge loading would have the biggest influence on a phono stage.
I'm surprised it's not mentioned more often.

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...good point...I'd highly recommend a stage that has multiple settings...

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I view the Turntable/Tonearm/Cartridge/Phono Stage as one interrelated single source component. IME, it's a balancing act as to where to allocate additional funds to obtain the best performance to cost expenditure. I am not sure that there is a definitive answer to the OP's questions as you must look at the whole chain to determine the weakest link.


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Hi,

You might factor in a certain reality. The cartridge and phono stage form up into a complimentary pair. Money itself will not ensure you get a result that advances your sound field in a way that you will enjoy (more). For instance, a high end MM fan might buy a less expensive Denon MC and by using Ortofon transformers might become enraptured by the sound. At the price point you envision, ask CAM members for 'combinations' they recommend.

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What's the Turntable?


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naimkid wrote:
I am writing to find out your experience relating to cartridges and phono preamp. I am sure majority would suggest that they are other factors to be considered, but I am wondering, in general, what would be a better route to take, expensive cartridge ($1000.00 and above), with a mediocre phono preamp (under $1000.00), or a cheaper cartridge with expensive phono preamp?

I welcome and highly appreciate input from each and every one of you.

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Too little information to really give much advice...As others have remarked.

You need to provide info for your current set-up. For example, I have to question "mediocre phono preamp" as being <$1000 and "expensive cartridge" as >$1000...And what about your phono interconnects? How much did they cost?

It's all relative...or something like that...


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I have a Linn Trioka. I always thought it was a good cartridge but not a great one. Then I bought a used Linn Linto and things changed. The Trioka improved on several levels. It seems to dig out more info from the grooves now, it propels the music with greater ease (pace if you prefer), and it is shockingly quiet.
The Linto removed the "shackles" from the Trioka. For the first time I'm really hearing what the Trioka is capable of. A good phono pre should allow you to get the best out of whatever cart. you use.

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