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PostPosted: Sat Jan 06, 2018 1:49 pm 
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I have noticed that big box stores like Best Buy, always try to sell you an extra warranty. Specialist audio dealers have never tried to sell me one of those, even with a product that also sells at Best Buy (Marantz, Yamaha, etc).

My experience as well. As far as the extended warranty available with your credit card, I have it but have never used it.
Not sure how much hassle it would be trying to get warranty work done with it.

It is not to hard.

I used my Visa extended warrantyt o repair a Projector.

Step 1) call Visa!
Step 2) get your documents lined up:
You will need the visa statement that has the original purchase.
You will need a letter from the manufacture that states "If the product was under warranty they would repair it"

Once you get the OK from Visa, you send it to the manufacture, they repair it and charge the repair to the Visa.
Visa then refunds the charge.

Your mileage may vary(esp you Mahatma, you have all the luck :) )


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Good to know the Visa warranty extension works but I'm really hoping I won't have to use it.
It's nice to dream. :wink:

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I received the following reply from Onkyo/Integra. :shock:
Since this HDMI board has been repaired multiple times this is not an issue with your receiver but an issue either with your environment or the HDMI cables you are using. How long is the HDMI cable from the receiver to the TV? Have you tried changing the HDMI cables you are using? This is not likely for the receiver to keep failing after every time it was repaired.

Give them a thumbs up for at least responding.
FYI, I have used a variety of HDMI cables. Most of them Amazon cables but have used several others including the ones Rogers supplies with their cable box.
Length is usually 2M or less never longer.
Environment? Somewhat vague but I have gone to extraordinary measures to try to keep these things successfully working.
The unit is on large stand with no obstructions. Lots of free space so no air or heat blockage.

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I received the following reply from Onkyo/Integra. :shock:
Since this HDMI board has been repaired multiple times this is not an issue with your receiver but an issue either with your environment or the HDMI cables you are using. How long is the HDMI cable from the receiver to the TV? Have you tried changing the HDMI cables you are using? This is not likely for the receiver to keep failing after every time it was repaired.

Give them a thumbs up for at least responding.
FYI, I have used a variety of HDMI cables. Most of them Amazon cables but have used several others including the ones Rogers supplies with their cable box.
Length is usually 2M or less never longer.
Environment? Somewhat vague but I have gone to extraordinary measures to try to keep these things successfully working.
The unit is on large stand with no obstructions. Lots of free space so no air or heat blockage.


Possible power surges going through the TV HDMI-> AVR.
Is every copper line going into the TV through a surge protector?
CATV line?


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mahatma1 wrote:
I received the following reply from Onkyo/Integra. :shock:
Since this HDMI board has been repaired multiple times this is not an issue with your receiver but an issue either with your environment or the HDMI cables you are using. How long is the HDMI cable from the receiver to the TV? Have you tried changing the HDMI cables you are using? This is not likely for the receiver to keep failing after every time it was repaired.

Give them a thumbs up for at least responding.
FYI, I have used a variety of HDMI cables. Most of them Amazon cables but have used several others including the ones Rogers supplies with their cable box.
Length is usually 2M or less never longer.
Environment? Somewhat vague but I have gone to extraordinary measures to try to keep these things successfully working.
The unit is on large stand with no obstructions. Lots of free space so no air or heat blockage.


Possible power surges going through the TV HDMI-> AVR.
Is every copper line going into the TV through a surge protector?
CATV line?

Yes. Even used an inline surge protector. Not sure if it was any good though.

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This is the back of a Pioneer Elite receiver. Evidently Pioneer never heard of the KISS principal.
Does anyone really need/use all this?
I thought one of the big selling points of HDMI was simplified set up. Instead we get that any so much more. :shock: :shock:

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I've been checking out a few A/V receivers and I'm not really having much luck picking one.
I did visit a Big Box store but only had a few minutes. The sales guy showed me a few models and then left.
Perfect. That's what I wanted.
I had a couple questions and emailed the sales assoc. but no reply.
I phoned and was put on hold, waited for about five or six minutes, and the line went dead.
I tried another place that had a chat box.
I gave it my name address, phone number and email address. I also left a couple questions in the chat box.
Again no reply.
Is this the new normal?
I'm not a tire kicker. I just needed a bit more info.
One other thing, I've noticed, A/V receivers are like mattresses,they're always on sale.

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MC39693 wrote:
Dave:
Sorry to hear of your problems. Not offering a counter argument, just my own experience. I have owned 3 Denon AVR over likely the last >15 years. All three are running perfectly today, one I gave to brother-in-law, one is at a second house I have with two 1980 Klipsch Heresy as test mules for HT project and third is at my current house. Don’t recall how I landed on Denon, likely driven somewhat by budget. But all have run flawlessly. Most recent is a x4300h which has run every setup from 3.1 Martin Logan + velodyne, sometimes just as 2.1, up to 7.1 HT with a real mix of speakers. House, budget, family all dictates a single room/stereo/HT setup for me. But I definitely liked your alternative universe description. Best of luck and send in the results of your fishing expedition! MC.


Funny enough, I just saw this post and was going to put in my 2 cents about my Denon AVR-4306.

Most reliable amp that I've ever used. Never had a problem with it, and I drive 2 zones with a full 7.1 kit. Amazingly flexible, and sits in a cabinet that doesn't get as much ventilation as it should. I've had it for a long time, and it refuses to quit. :D

Amp before that was a yamaha RX-V1400, which was another beast that wouldn't quit. I needed the HDMI, so I jumped on the 4306.

I think once you end up getting a decent higher-end amp, they do put in quality parts. (of course it's not always the case, but it has been my personal experience)

As well, the weight of an amp usually gives you a good idea as to how well-made it is. If it breaks your back (or is 40+lbs) your good to go. :P

Good luck on your search.


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mahatma1 wrote:
I've been checking out a few A/V receivers and I'm not really having much luck picking one.
I did visit a Big Box store but only had a few minutes. The sales guy showed me a few models and then left.
Perfect. That's what I wanted.
I had a couple questions and emailed the sales assoc. but no reply.
I phoned and was put on hold, waited for about five or six minutes, and the line went dead.
I tried another place that had a chat box.
I gave it my name address, phone number and email address. I also left a couple questions in the chat box.
Again no reply.
Is this the new normal?
I'm not a tire kicker. I just needed a bit more info.
One other thing, I've noticed, A/V receivers are like mattresses,they're always on sale.


Use the Googles...


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I don't want to beat this to death (it might be a bit late for that) but I've been examining in detail my A/V set up and how I use it.
In all honesty, I use it lightly and the set up is at worst, on par with your average A/V receiver buyer, probably better than most.
Why so many HDMI failures?
Heat? No.
The units have free space all around them no restrictions.
I did not use a fan on most of them (until it was suggested here). In fairness, do you really need to buy an accessory so your unit won't breakdown?
Electrical? I changed from fuses to breakers,upgrade panel. Quality surge protection. New (not a refurb) STB. Grounding is good. i'm saying no.
The receiver(s). A qualified yes.
I'll deal mainly with the Onkyo/Integra (there are so many pages about their failures).
Please note these are my thoughts after reading literally hundreds of pages. make of it what you will.
Onkyo purchased a batch Texas Instruments DSP chips that were depending on your point of view, defective or not capable of performing their function.
After thousands of complaints Onkyo finally agreed to replace the chip. Bad news, it seems that because they still had considerable stockpiles of the TI chip they replaced it with the same chip.
That would explain the multiple HDMI failures. (pure conjecture on my part)
Onkyo also used capacitors with too low a temperature rating. Combine that with a poor internal layout and units that ran hotter than most you had a recipe for cap. failure.
Also (from Onkyo USA) this "The PCB board houses both the DSP chip and networking components as well.so when the PCB board malfunctions it causes other issues".
Many people believe that hap hazard QC contributed to Onkyo failures (no extensive testing to see that the parts perform as expected,see the TI debacle).
So where does that leave me?
It leaves me with an A/V receiver that won't do audio or video and one they can't or won't repair.
What about the other units? It seems they are built as cheap as possible. Features are more important reliability. Every purchase is a roll of the dice. Some will work (for a time), other will fail (if your lucky) during the warranty period.
I want to thank everyone that has followed this thread. It's been educational and occasionally painful.
I'll keep you updated.
Dave

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mahatma1 wrote:
I don't want to beat this to death (it might be a bit late for that) but I've been examining in detail my A/V set up and how I use it.
In all honesty, I use it lightly and the set up is at worst, on par with your average A/V receiver buyer, probably better than most.
Why so many HDMI failures?
Heat? No.
The units have free space all around them no restrictions.
I did not use a fan on most of them (until it was suggested here). In fairness, do you really need to buy an accessory so your unit won't breakdown?
Electrical? I changed from fuses to breakers,upgrade panel. Quality surge protection. New (not a refurb) STB. Grounding is good. i'm saying no.
The receiver(s). A qualified yes.
I'll deal mainly with the Onkyo/Integra (there are so many pages about their failures).
Please note these are my thoughts after reading literally hundreds of pages. make of it what you will.
Onkyo purchased a batch Texas Instruments DSP chips that were depending on your point of view, defective or not capable of performing their function.
After thousands of complaints Onkyo finally agreed to replace the chip. Bad news, it seems that because they still had considerable stockpiles of the TI chip they replaced it with the same chip.
That would explain the multiple HDMI failures. (pure conjecture on my part)
Onkyo also used capacitors with too low a temperature rating. Combine that with a poor internal layout and units that ran hotter than most you had a recipe for cap. failure.
Also (from Onkyo USA) this "The PCB board houses both the DSP chip and networking components as well.so when the PCB board malfunctions it causes other issues".
Many people believe that hap hazard QC contributed to Onkyo failures (no extensive testing to see that the parts perform as expected,see the TI debacle).
So where does that leave me?
It leaves me with an A/V receiver that won't do audio or video and one they can't or won't repair.
What about the other units? It seems they are built as cheap as possible. Features are more important reliability. Every purchase is a roll of the dice. Some will work (for a time), other will fail (if your lucky) during the warranty period.
I want to thank everyone that has followed this thread. It's been educational and occasionally painful.
I'll keep you updated.
Dave


Can your Onkyo serve as just a poweramp? Just wondering, as I've been using an Onkyo TX-SR805 as a poweramp for awhile now, patching-in through the 'multi-channel' analog input. Can't believe the sound-quality & power this 50-pound beast delivers. Just curious...


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mahatma1 wrote:
I don't want to beat this to death (it might be a bit late for that) but I've been examining in detail my A/V set up and how I use it.
In all honesty, I use it lightly and the set up is at worst, on par with your average A/V receiver buyer, probably better than most.
Why so many HDMI failures?
Heat? No.
The units have free space all around them no restrictions.
I did not use a fan on most of them (until it was suggested here). In fairness, do you really need to buy an accessory so your unit won't breakdown?
Electrical? I changed from fuses to breakers,upgrade panel. Quality surge protection. New (not a refurb) STB. Grounding is good. i'm saying no.
The receiver(s). A qualified yes.
I'll deal mainly with the Onkyo/Integra (there are so many pages about their failures).
Please note these are my thoughts after reading literally hundreds of pages. make of it what you will.
Onkyo purchased a batch Texas Instruments DSP chips that were depending on your point of view, defective or not capable of performing their function.
After thousands of complaints Onkyo finally agreed to replace the chip. Bad news, it seems that because they still had considerable stockpiles of the TI chip they replaced it with the same chip.
That would explain the multiple HDMI failures. (pure conjecture on my part)
Onkyo also used capacitors with too low a temperature rating. Combine that with a poor internal layout and units that ran hotter than most you had a recipe for cap. failure.
Also (from Onkyo USA) this "The PCB board houses both the DSP chip and networking components as well.so when the PCB board malfunctions it causes other issues".
Many people believe that hap hazard QC contributed to Onkyo failures (no extensive testing to see that the parts perform as expected,see the TI debacle).
So where does that leave me?
It leaves me with an A/V receiver that won't do audio or video and one they can't or won't repair.
What about the other units? It seems they are built as cheap as possible. Features are more important reliability. Every purchase is a roll of the dice. Some will work (for a time), other will fail (if your lucky) during the warranty period.
I want to thank everyone that has followed this thread. It's been educational and occasionally painful.
I'll keep you updated.
Dave


Can your Onkyo serve as just a poweramp? Just wondering, as I've been using an Onkyo TX-SR805 as a poweramp for awhile now, patchin-in through the 'multi-channel' analog input. Can't believe the sound-quality & power this 50-pound beast delivers. Just curious...

Yes. I tried it briefly on a friends system.It was powering a pair of larger Advents that just had the surrounds replaced. The volume was clean to scary levels. Having just got his speakers back my friend begged me to turn it down.
I was surprised. the only downside was the heat. I had removed the amps cover but it got hot. We played it loud for a good 45 minutes.
Although hot it never shut down. I've never pushed it that hard in A/V use.
I'm pretty well "stocked" for amps, two Bryston and a Classe' so I have no need for the Integra, at least used as an amp.
It's good enough to merit fixing but the million dollar question is "How long will it last".
Thanks for asking about using it as an amp Rusty. I'm so focused on the negatives I forgot how I was grinning like a baboon while we cranked Uriah Heep (Demons and Wizards) to high school levels. :mrgreen:

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I hear ya about the heat. Sumbitch has kept my livingroom warm for months now! Exceptional poweramp none the less, which under the right circumstances can actually make my picture-window breathe. Must be the 30-pound transformer, main power supply capacitors with 2 x 15000uF at 71V & three-stage Darlington circuit. Damn thing can pull nearly 10-amps out of the wall. Cheers!
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I had planned to have purchased an AVR by now but as usual my house(the backyard to be specific) had other ideas.
It was early in the morning and I was woke up by a loud sound.
I couldn't see anything obvious so I went back to bed and left the investigation until later.
It didn't take long. A limb from a large 60 foot Maple tree in our back yard, had broke off, narrowly missed my new shed and took out the clothes line.
The tree needed to go before it did some real damage to my property or worse the neighbours.
I figured it might be a little pricey to get the tree removed but I wasn't prepared for how pricey it would be.
The price quotes were all over the place, none were cheap.
Just to add to my misery March is usually a very expensive month. Property tax, car insurance, house insurance and now the tree.
So audio purchases are on hold for the time being unless I hit the LOTTO.
Last week I won a free pay so its just a matter of time. :roll:

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