Canuck Audio Mart

http://www.av199.com/thread-166532-1-1.html




http://www.areadvd.de/hardware/2007/harman_kardon_avr745.shtml



As you can see it is a direct rebadge with a different power supply unit.

Looking at pics on line of something like this, doesn't tell you anything. I can see quite a few differences, but one would need both pieces in front of you to point the differences out to you. I could find 10 more componets if I tried hard enough and they would all be different, but close enough for you.

There are some companies that does some rebranding. But your barking up the wrong tree.

Your time on CAM would be more useful to you to check out some of the other threads and ask some questions. Instead of wasteing it on a witch hunt.

If you want to keep posting like this, a good site to post this at would be http://www.cdnav.com/ you might find some like minds over there.

Your energy is truly wasted. What's your angle dude? Want to know a direct rebadge? Lexicon NT's are Brystons. And it's a good thing.

Weren't you warned by the Mod before for posting something similar??


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I don't get it. What's this guy doing wrong?

I find this thread less offensive as so far it hasn't made the gross and rather ludicrous extrapolation Asahikasei's original thread did. It is kind of humorous that the various photos Asahikasei has "borrowed" from audio conspiracy threads on other sites have yet to fully support his proposition. As other contributors to this latest thread have already pointed out, the photos provided of the Lex RC-5 internals are not identical to the HK. At the very least the power supply transformer is different.

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Vince@Freewheelcycle.com

They are afraid of the truth. Most if not all high end users want to think their money is buying something that truly is superior and sounds better then a mass produced receiver.

Keep lying to yourself, this is a direct rebadge and from the pics these units are 100% the same.



We know that the lexicon amps are also rebadged equipment and now they use ATI.



You guys kill me, the units are the same and with a different power supply that is not going to affect anything.

Wow, you've certainly demonstrated an excellent grasp of high quality audio engineering- NOT!. Great power supply design has a huge effect on the sonic end-result. There are many Audio Mod companies out there hot-rodding well made mass-market components to improve performance. The first place they start is the power supply as it is invariably one of the weak points of the piece. Your closing statement of this last post not only does not make your argument, it demonstrates your ignorance of the subject.

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Vince@Freewheelcycle.com

With statement like that! What were you drinking? You might as well be saying no ps is the same as any ps. Quite frankly, I was agreeing with you, until you come up with a nonsense like that. Look at the pictures, even the wire-routes are the same.

I have a lot of experience in electronics and I sure wouldn't assume the two units are identical. Digital Signal Processors, Microprocessors, and Field Programmable Gate Arrays all rely on software/firmware, you have no way of knowing what code is being used in the two units. More often than not the code is the differentiator...

Why is this even posted here. There's a "Fraud Alert" section. If you think there's a fraud happening here (and I think you do) then post it there.

I didnÂ’t get the sense there was an alleged fraud being implied here; only pointing out many similarities. A friend of mine is involved in the factory/manufacturing business over in China is always telling me how one factory will produce (under contract) essentially the same core product with slight variations to meet individual manufactures requirements; and of curse to meet brand autonomy.

In fact there is one factory he recently mentioned that recently did a contract with a company that is recognized as being “very” hi-end in spite of the fact that most of us would laugh at the product label that normally comes out of said factory. I am not suggesting that this is the case here, but as consumers we should all be vigilant about what we are really buying.

Hey Okanaudio,

Evidently you missed the OP's premier thread on CAM, and his only other to-date. In that one the OP implied that all high end Pre/Pros were a fraud and offered no sonic improvement over mass-market receivers. I subsequently locked this thread as it seriously stank of troll and was not headed in a positive direction. As his 2nd post focuses on a single product comparison with supporting photos it seems both less libelous and more likely to generate dialog which remains on point.

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Vince@Freewheelcycle.com

You are correct; I did miss those posts. My apologies.