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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2018 3:26 pm 
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Has anyone heard of knock off hi-end components being sold on line, vintage or new ?

Say something like fake Spectral or JBL gear ? Could really be anything.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2018 3:38 pm 
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What would a spectral fake be called?

Fecktral?

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:shock: Spectroll :lol:


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2018 3:55 pm 
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OK, you win.

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Teo Audio wrote:
What would a spectral fake be called?

Fecktral?


All kidding aside, the fake component would try and pass as a real spectral. Probably unlikely I think.

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I know that years ago, Bryston had a problem with a Chinese counterfeit...

In a lot of cases, the circuitry is just not that hard to duplicate, and if you're not paying for R&D, marketing, warranty, distribution etc etc etc, you can build a clone for a lot less. There are a lot of people building Pass Clones in the DIY world for example... and one day I'll finish my Aleph project :roll:

There's a lot of knock off hi-end cables floating around as well...


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2018 4:31 pm 
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True enough it’s cables
Went thru that about 5 yrs ago where bought python helixes and anacondas off audiogon
The seller worked for Shunyata
He was stealing the outer wrappings and shrink ends and making his own and selling on line
Samuelson phoned me for the serial numbers to see if mine were among the counterfeits
Not one and I had around 12 total but only a couple from this guy
I wonder how many he sold before he got caught


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Audio_Guy wrote:
Teo Audio wrote:
What would a spectral fake be called?

Fecktral?


All kidding aside, the fake component would try and pass as a real spectral. Probably unlikely I think.



especially since there are key aspects abut spectral gear that are evident the moment the lid comes off and the innards are inspected.

I won't say what they are, as that involved a conversation with someone who worked with the spectral designer, at one time.

We had a conversation about how circuits should be done, and he agreed and said he knew of maybe 5 guys in the business who did that part right, the spectral designer having done the same due to thinking the same way.

Point being, is that a copying entity probably would not know those salient bits and it would probably be slightly off.

Also, the lore in the chassis build would have to be applied, and not be present in the copy... and the slight inconsistencies in such would be evident to the trained eye. (Without removing the cover.)

OTOH, fake ray-bans are for people who have never witnessed a real pair. So a fake would likely pass for the intended market. Ie, those who've never seen a Spectral or lived in a market space where such a component would be a common (enough) denizen.

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I think it's more of a problem with parts, I know there was an issue with black gate capacitors a while back.


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I think it's more of a problem with parts, I know there was an issue with black gate capacitors a while back.



There was a problem with all larger electrolytics for high end audio, for about a decade. And ongoing.

I can go onto eBay right now and point out most of the fake large cans.

added to that, is the insanely high number of stolen circuits and designs that are pumped out and bought by the hundreds, all on badly designed circuit boards with low budget parts, some of those parts being fakes.

Some people in China are making fortunes at their end of things, by stealing and issuing circuits and circuit boards based on these stolen designs. (DIY builds).

Nelson Pass's work is a particularly common target.

Neither the buyer or seller know what they are doing so they aren't close to what they should sound like, and neither party is aware of it. Just like the fake Ray-Ban sunglasses.

The only market where this stunt actually worked, IIRC, was in the Japanese optics of the 60's and 70's. Where the copies with the fake created names on cheap binoculars were so good...that they were fine, excellent. Outstanding, even, with some of them......just on their own merits. That was the turning point for Japanese high end optics. (they were seeded by an association with Zeiss in the late 1890's).

China is the same. True high end audio companies are emerging out of this mess. Companies that are excellent all on their own.

And their market and production levels will likely outstrip the western high end market and systems, once they really get rolling. It's a cultural thing. More participation per population percentage, just like Japan.

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Teo Audio wrote:
OK, you win.



Does he ever!

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i have seen some fake crest audio amplifier. it was barely pushing 70 watt .and all lettering and printing on amp faceplate and back panel where of very poor quality, all letters ink bleading, and barely readable.


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Bose is knock off! :roll:


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hocheye wrote:
Bose is knock off! :roll:



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I know there are a lot of fake Yamaha Pro amplifiers circulating around online, especially in Asia.


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