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 Post subject: Vintage Tube Imports
PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2018 4:02 pm 
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Well here is a new one on me.
Wondering if anyone else has experienced a similar experience.
Been seeking a second (mate) for my George Gott G30U for over 2 years so I pulled the trigger when one was listed on Ebay.
All good, item shipped via GSP to the sorting station in Kentucky and then I get the notice that the item is "RESTRICTED" and not allowed to be imported to Canada. WHAT!!
So i have benn chasing this down for a few days now and received the following reply from a "Global Shipping Specialist"

Hello Ron,

Thanks for the reply. I can definitely understand your concerns and frustrations, especially since you've had no problem with prior purchases. The problem with the amplifier are the vacuum tubes. Our third party shipping partner restricts these types of tubes due to them containing hazardous material, specifically the following:

Lead: all soldering’s inside and are handled with risk
Selenium: diodes/rectifiers
Mercury: inside some rectifier tubes (6508, 82, 83, 866A etc.
Cadmium: chassis plating of fisher tube ampligiers
Polychlorinated Biphenyls
Asbestos: used in the heat shield in some.

Because we aren't experts, nor do we have a way to test them, most vintage tubes shipped to our shipping center are deemed restricted. For any future transactions on purchases of tubes, I highly recommend having your seller ship them directly to you to avoid this mishap.

I realize this does nothing to curb your frustration, but wanted to at least let you know why it happened. If there was a way to request that an exception be made, I would gladly do so in this situation, but because a third party is involved, we must abide by their policies and procedures, especially where international trade law is involved.

I apologize in advance for any inconveniences this transaction may have caused you, but I hope this helps you understand why the transaction has been canceled and we are not able to forward this item to you.

It's been a pleasure working with you, and I hope you have a great day!

Thanks,
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 Post subject: Re: Vintage Tube Imports
PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2018 4:19 pm 
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There was a thread on this a while ago.

I have ordered Vacuum tubes directly from sellers websites from all over the world. Many from Eastern Europe and many from eBay sellers from the USA. I ordered some a month ago and came through the HP shipping service. They took approx two weeks but I have eventually received all of them.

Maybe it is tube specific?


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2018 4:24 pm 
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What a pile of smelly brown stuff.

That mentality could shut down virtually any vintage piece.

Get yer coinage refunded? Have seller ship dhl or...

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2018 4:42 pm 
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Fair warning, NEVER use Ebay's GSP shipping service to ship anything tube related as there's a chance they can pull this BS. PayPal will eventually refund you but the seller will be out of luck. Typical Ebay cash grab through every angle with no warning. Always use USPS, FedEx, UPS, DHL, China Post, etc as you won't see this with them through Ebay. Absolute nightmare to have to endure...


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2018 4:48 pm 
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I have said this before. NEVER buy anything from eBay that uses the global shipping program. Not only do you run into tbe op's issue (not just tubes), but you are paying duties and taxes in advance. These duties and taxes may not even be applicable due to NAFTA, but you pay them anyway. It is nothing more than theft.
Contact the seller and either get your money back, or have him ship a different way. If he won't, walk away.
BOYCOTT any seller using Global Shipping.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2018 5:27 pm 
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Totally agree what Dan said about GSP(Global Shipping Service). Avoid them like the plague unless you want to get your rear end reamed. Absolute thieves along with EBay and PayPal...


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2018 6:06 pm 
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Just had the same thing happen today as a mater of fact.
Lead, really every pcb that's soldered has lead.

Contacted the sender and he is willing to mail USPS direct to me.
Should be no issues. I just despise eBay's global shipping program for a number of resaons and I refuse to use it in my ebay sales.

Incidentally FedEx is the worst to go with as far as brokerage fees are concerned then UPS making USPS/Canada Post the best for cross border buying.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2018 2:07 am 
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dtsaudio wrote:
I have said this before. NEVER buy anything from eBay that uses the global shipping program. Not only do you run into tbe op's issue (not just tubes), but you are paying duties and taxes in advance. These duties and taxes may not even be applicable due to NAFTA, but you pay them anyway. It is nothing more than theft.
Contact the seller and either get your money back, or have him ship a different way. If he won't, walk away.
BOYCOTT any seller using Global Shipping.


You can dispute the charge with CBSA/Dep't of Finance, but you still have to pay in advance even if mailing the item. If you've ever paid duty in an item coming by mail take the time to look at the back side of the forms on your item! GSP may also have the contact info. One might look at the fiberals for making it easier to collect taxes.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2018 2:57 am 
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Tom_r wrote:

You can dispute the charge with CBSA/Dep't of Finance, but you still have to pay in advance even if mailing the item. If you've ever paid duty in an item coming by mail take the time to look at the back side of the forms on your item! GSP may also have the contact info. One might look at the fiberals for making it easier to collect taxes.


If the item is shipped through eBay's GSP, you will have no record of the amount of taxes/duties paid (if any), as this is all rolled into one fee that the GSP won't itemize. I'm with dts, this is thinly-disguised thievery and we should not participate in any way.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2018 3:12 am 
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wintechathome wrote:
Incidentally FedEx is the worst to go with as far as brokerage fees are concerned then UPS making USPS/Canada Post the best for cross border buying.

I'm not sure how you came to that conclusion, but in 20 years of buying and selling cross border, Fedex has been infinitely superior to UPS for me. UPS charges excessive brokerage fees, and applies tax and duty seemingly at random. The geniuses at UPS customs department also once returned a vintage turntable to me as they claimed it didn't the proper FCC clearance approval. UPS has also consistently managed to break even best backed of items (within Canada or cross border) so I'll never use them again.

USPS / Canada Post continues to be the least expensive option for border related fees, however they won't handle packages as large as Fedex.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2018 3:41 am 
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Frustrating, but understandable from a handler’s perspective. Overly cautious, for sure, but I thought the GSP response well phrased and reasonable. As they said, they are not experts. They see a delicate glass bottle potentially containing traces of mercury, lead, asbestos, PCB, and whatever else they stuffed into tubes back in the days when no one cared about absorbing heavy metals, or lungs scarred with asbestos shards. I’m willing to take the risk in my own hands, and have several vintage tubes, but if a shipper has no idea how well a hazardous item has been packed, and if they want to protect their workers and minimise any potential litigation they have a right to impose sanctions. Sure any electronics device will probably contain lead, but it’s in a a lot more stable form than a tube in a cardboard box.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2018 5:33 am 
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You can dispute the charge with CBSA/Dep't of Finance, but you still have to pay in advance even if mailing the item. If you've ever paid duty in an item coming by mail take the time to look at the back side of the forms on your item! GSP may also have the contact info. One might look at the fiberals for making it easier to collect taxes.[/quote]

Tom, I share your frustration with how CBSA's rules are interpreted. This is not, however, a Liberal policy or implementation. It is, in fact, a policy/procedure implemented by Mr Mulroney and crew, coincident with NAFTA and the further implementation of world-wide HS codes. The issue here guys, is not the process, rather the implementation of said process. UPS are a fine example of a company who, in order to facilitate their speed-of-delivery, simply always rate imports at the highest duty and tax rate. By doing so, they avoid any costly review by CBSA...why don't CBSA review these shipments? There is no need if they are being paid at the highest rate. It's all about the money.

Same deal with Fleabay's world-wide shipping package....it is about maximizing their profit. An example: I bought a nice Sansui TU999 a while ago from Oklahoma City. The cost through Ebay's world wide shipper was $148.90 USD. I requested the shipper send to me via Fedex via my account. Total shipping was only $63.00 CDN. Even more telling was the brokerage/tax/duties. I saved an additional $54.00 at the border. Maybe an extreme example, but an accurate one.

LIberal polices, like all political party policies can anger certain groups of people. In this case, your comments are misplaced. Blame Mr Mulroney.

I have been shipping between the US and Canada in my business since the 1990's. Been there, done that, got the T-shirt. All of the major couriers (with the exception of Fedex) gouge you severely. UPS was so bad, it was cheaper for me to establish a warehouse in Lewiston NY and truck our freight than to use UPS for shipping. In my experience UPS are the worst. By. Far.

Peace. (the other) Tom. 8)


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2018 5:48 am 
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Another reason to avoid the Global Ripoff Program.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2018 6:53 am 
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For anyone in or close to the GTA, I would use the U.S. address they provided by Cross Border Pickups as within a day or 2, they bring items by truck to a warehouse at the Mississauga/Toronto border. You have to reimburse them for any duty/taxes but there is no charge for custom brokerage & the costs are minimal. I just paid $10 to get a pair of cowboy boots with the box being about the size of an amp. They also will mail it to you anywhere in Canada from their Canadian warehouse but I am unsure of that procedure but I am sure the info is readily available on their web site. I especially like that items ordered from the U.S. get here quickly & I do not get stuck with high mailing charges from the U.S., can readily get items not being mailed to Canada or have to deal with exorbitant extra UPS or FedEx fees.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2018 7:33 am 
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So I have been corresponding with the seller to see if there is some kind of work around to this problem but alas I worry the the amp will be destroyed or sent to the landfill. What a travesty!
Here are copies of the last emails from the seller.

Thanks Ron, I hope I can get this amp to you. It’s in really great condition and completely stock. It would be a real shame if they didn’t return it. They sent me a message today saying that they reimbursed you and that I can keep the money from the sale. So, with that I’m not sure that they will return it. I wonder if eBay is aware of this. It must have happened a number of times by now.
I’ll keep you posted.
Doug


Hello Ron, eBay sells thousands of tubes daily.
I’ve shipped tubes world wide through eBay for years. They promote the use of their International Global Shipping Program but neglect to inform that they won’t ship tubes. This must be a fairly new policy and since I sell mainly tubes I won’t be able to use that program anymore. I guess I will have to call eBay and see what to do next.
Best regards,
Doug


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