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 Post subject: Dancing VU Meters
PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 2:28 am 
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Looking at some of the old equipment here for sale make me miss the dancing VU meters, especially the cool backlit ones. Why don't manufacturers put these cool meters on new equipment, I used to stare at them for hours when listening to music?


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 2:40 am 
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The VU meters were my favourite app on my Logitech Squeezebox.

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Looking at some of the old equipment here for sale make me miss the dancing VU meters, especially the cool backlit ones. Why don't manufacturers put these cool meters on new equipment, I used to stare at them for hours when listening to music?



...some do...McIntosh, Magnum Dynalab, Yamaha...to name a few...this is my MD 209...the meters are actually blue but don't show as such in the light...


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The best of the best were those on old McIntosh amps like 2205or 2255.
Those were the biggest one from Mac at the time and could be switched from db to watts scale with different ranges meaning you could have the needles swing full scale without actually running at full power. But the white ones found only on old Crown RTR machines are the largest ever and move lightning fast. They are not connected to output level pots but in playback mode but always show only and exactly was they showed when machine was in record mode. In other words always true values on levels present.


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yes meters are cool to watch, and are also great tool for monitoring output power. that is a eye opener for some people that think that they don t drive there amp hard because the volume is only at 1 o clock , when in reality they might be pass their gears limit.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 3:29 am 
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phaseshift wrote:
The best of the best were those on old McIntosh amps like 2205or 2255.
Those were the biggest one from Mac at the time and could be switched from db to watts scale with different ranges meaning you could have the needles swing full scale without actually running at full power. But the white ones found only on old Crown RTR machines are the largest ever and move lightning fast. They are not connected to output level pots but in playback mode but always show only and exactly was they showed when machine was in record mode. In other words always true values on levels present.

the mc 1201 have the biggest meters I have seen. those must have cost a fortune.


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I have one of those too! :)


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The owner of a long established audio shop in Montreal made me smile when he called them "wipers" (our conversation was in French BTW) when we were discussing the good old days of audio. I had never heard meters called that before. I was waxing nostalgic about Luxman equipment and the great looks of the M-6000 way back when I was in university.

At any rate all those meters are quite useless, although they do indicate that most music only requires a few watts at most volume levels except for peaks where the mettle of high power amps shines through.

To each his own.


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...man...you don't have to work very hard at it... :mrgreen:


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http://www.vuplayer.com/other.php

A free apps for my computer....very cool


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...man...you don't have to work very hard at it... :mrgreen:



A yes Stone, aegism is a great avocation. I don't know if you are any good at it but OTH you sure are one positive self-satisfied rocker. :P


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PBB wrote:
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...man...you don't have to work very hard at it... :mrgreen:



A yes Stone, aegism is a great avocation. I don't know if you are any good at it but OTH you sure are one positive self-satisfied rocker. :P


...I can't get no...satisfaction...I can't get no...girl reaction...but I try...and I try...then...I go watch my dancing wipers... :D

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 6:03 am 
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VU meter are only true on sinusoidal audio signals.
With music , then it is not showing a 10-15 dB real peaks passing by.
I wander if the big McIntosh amps have a peak showing specific circuit to integrate those musical signals??
And yes I find myself super to see theses big meters on the 1,2KW Mac amps.....
Mostly LED meter would be fast reacting levels.
Otherwise clipping LED are usefull to show you reach a limit, but otherwise manufacturer don't install them as mostly being a gadget.


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many McIntosh amp add both meters and clip. and both accurate enough to be usefull. as both when clip goes on, the meter show they are at max. if the clip indicator would not follow meters reaction simultaneously, I would say then that not accurate. clip usually goes on immidiatly when amp double in distortion.
and I would not call them gadget, because many people drive there amp pass it limite without knowing they are.
because when you can ear the amp clipping, that mean , you are way pass the limite of your amp.
I wish every amp would have minimum of clip indicators, and if you have meters, it a bonus. not in gimic.
when looking at your meters you see very often some music that is more demanding andthat do require more power then you thought , you really needed.
if you don't push your equipement very much , it could be viewed as a distraction.


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