Canuck Audio Mart Hifi and Audio ForumCanuck Audio Mart Hifi and Audio Forum
It is currently Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:36 am

All times are UTC - 8 hours




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 52 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2, 3, 4  Next
Author Message
PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 2:48 pm 
Offline

Joined: Wed Jan 25, 2012 3:51 pm
Posts: 60
Location: brighton, ON, CA
I'm looking for opinions on the price level for a turntable that would produce sq comparable to the sound quality of lossless. Thx


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 3:04 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue May 21, 2013 12:54 pm
Posts: 5214
Location: Dodge City, NB, CA
Given the feelings of some on this forum, that's a loaded question. It's not just the turntable, it's the cartridge, it's the phono pre. In other words you have to put together the right combination of components to achieve your desired goal and then after all that if it makes one pop many here would consider it inferior to lossless. While we are on the subject of lossless, it's SQ is just as varied depending on the level of gear your using to play it back on your system. In short, your shooting at a moving target.
Therefore you would have to have a base ( reference ) digital system to aim at to answer your question.

_________________
No matter how hard you try, you can't cure stupid.
Unknown


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 3:10 pm 
Offline

Joined: Sun Jan 02, 2005 10:11 am
Posts: 707
Location: Quebec, QC, CA
the analog will never sound digital

it is a different technologie

it is not a matter of money


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 3:14 pm 
Offline

Joined: Tue Sep 30, 2008 5:51 pm
Posts: 484
Location: Mississauga, ON, CA
I would suggest that its not so much the quality of the turntable ...but...the quality of the vinyl and the recording on it that will
be of most concern.A recording on vinyl has its limitations...especially dynamic range..and thats where the biggest difference is.

As far as price point really doesnt matter as it really depends on the software(vinyl) quality.

However in my experience while you can get comparable results under $1K you will get better results
when you spend more...
A very good cartridge with a stylus profile that will get lowest noise from the groove,
a well designed arm that is set up and aligned properly to minimize tracking error as much as possible..
vinyl that is pristine and cleaned before each play..
An equally good phono preamp...
Turntable has to be dead quiet as well...
The lower the noise floor the better however cost increases greatly to achieve this.
Frankly after all is said and done...and the work involved will you even approach lossless FLAC files, HD downloads
etc sound quality..Hard to say...but probably not..
A friend of mine keeps telling me that high def...high bit-rate..high resolution downloads are the future..

I think he may be right..

Don't get me wrong as I love vinyl as much as the next audiofool.

Matt...tubeornotube


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 3:15 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Apr 05, 2010 6:12 pm
Posts: 514
Location: Toronto, ON, CA
renehuot70 wrote:
the analog will never sound digital

it is a different technologie

it is not a matter of money



agreed...apples and oranges


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 3:31 pm 
Offline

Joined: Sun Sep 26, 2010 7:42 am
Posts: 66
Location: stirling, ON, CA
Good phono amp is most important according to my ears.


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 4:00 pm 
Offline

Joined: Mon Jan 31, 2005 8:37 am
Posts: 536
Location: Quebec, QC, CA
Maybe the real question should be reversed - any bits and bytes out there that can rival a good turntable and phono preamp combo ? ;)


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 4:11 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue May 21, 2013 12:54 pm
Posts: 5214
Location: Dodge City, NB, CA
milag wrote:
Maybe the real question should be reversed - any bits and bytes out there that can rival a good turntable and phono preamp combo ? ;)

Now, now, and I so carefully avoided saying or asking this. :D

_________________
No matter how hard you try, you can't cure stupid.
Unknown


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 4:15 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Fri Mar 30, 2007 9:41 am
Posts: 3986
Location: Ingersoll, ON, CA
renehuot70 wrote:
the analog will never sound digital

it is a different technologie

it is not a matter of money

What he said. Two very different things.

_________________
He who is like the wind blowing from your pants.


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 4:18 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Fri Mar 11, 2005 9:30 am
Posts: 1109
Location: Sainte-Marguerite-du-Lac-Masson, QC, CA
KJT1 wrote:
milag wrote:
Maybe the real question should be reversed - any bits and bytes out there that can rival a good turntable and phono preamp combo ? ;)

Now, now, and I so carefully avoided saying or asking this. :D


Damn, here we go again :D

_________________
I gave up everything for you, 'Cept the Blues.
Joe Bonamassa, 2014


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 4:37 pm 
Offline
Premium User
User avatar

Joined: Tue Dec 19, 2006 11:44 pm
Posts: 6168
Location: Toronto, ON, CA
I've recently poured a ton of money into what many would consider a superb front end for digital...including a LampizatOr Big 7...it's as close as I've come to really challenging my vinyl front end...but vinyl still rules!!!

Like as it has been pointed out...two different technologies...one will never equal the other.

Apples and oranges.

End of story!!! 8)

_________________
I Put A Spell On You!!!


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 4:43 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Oct 17, 2011 6:55 pm
Posts: 2144
Location: Toronto, ON, CA
There are turntables with integrated analog to digital converters. Does that count??

Question to the OP. Have you heard a quality analog front end?


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 4:49 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Mar 31, 2008 9:17 am
Posts: 14023
Location: Toronto, ON, CA
Lossless what? I'm not aware of anything that's truly lossless.

_________________
To a hammer, everything looks like a nail


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 4:52 pm 
Offline
Premium User
User avatar

Joined: Sat Jan 24, 2009 3:36 pm
Posts: 3727
Location: Vernon, BC, CA
Ugh here we go...


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 4:58 pm 
Offline

Joined: Tue Mar 04, 2008 10:05 am
Posts: 283
Location: Peachland, BC, CA
That's pretty hard to answer. I have invested a great deal in both my analog and digital setups. What I can say is that most CDs I own sound quite good with some better than others. When it comes to vinyl it's more of a variance. Some records,mostly older original recordings sound fabulous where others which are quite often new reissues which cost too much are quite often disappointing. By the way I use a record cleaning machine and have close to $4K in my analog system and $2.5 K in my digital.


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 52 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2, 3, 4  Next

All times are UTC - 8 hours


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 3 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group