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PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 2:48 pm 
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I'm looking for opinions on the price level for a turntable that would produce sq comparable to the sound quality of lossless. Thx


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Given the feelings of some on this forum, that's a loaded question. It's not just the turntable, it's the cartridge, it's the phono pre. In other words you have to put together the right combination of components to achieve your desired goal and then after all that if it makes one pop many here would consider it inferior to lossless. While we are on the subject of lossless, it's SQ is just as varied depending on the level of gear your using to play it back on your system. In short, your shooting at a moving target.
Therefore you would have to have a base ( reference ) digital system to aim at to answer your question.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 3:10 pm 
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the analog will never sound digital

it is a different technologie

it is not a matter of money


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I would suggest that its not so much the quality of the turntable ...but...the quality of the vinyl and the recording on it that will
be of most concern.A recording on vinyl has its limitations...especially dynamic range..and thats where the biggest difference is.

As far as price point really doesnt matter as it really depends on the software(vinyl) quality.

However in my experience while you can get comparable results under $1K you will get better results
when you spend more...
A very good cartridge with a stylus profile that will get lowest noise from the groove,
a well designed arm that is set up and aligned properly to minimize tracking error as much as possible..
vinyl that is pristine and cleaned before each play..
An equally good phono preamp...
Turntable has to be dead quiet as well...
The lower the noise floor the better however cost increases greatly to achieve this.
Frankly after all is said and done...and the work involved will you even approach lossless FLAC files, HD downloads
etc sound quality..Hard to say...but probably not..
A friend of mine keeps telling me that high def...high bit-rate..high resolution downloads are the future..

I think he may be right..

Don't get me wrong as I love vinyl as much as the next audiofool.

Matt...tubeornotube


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renehuot70 wrote:
the analog will never sound digital

it is a different technologie

it is not a matter of money



agreed...apples and oranges


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Good phono amp is most important according to my ears.


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Maybe the real question should be reversed - any bits and bytes out there that can rival a good turntable and phono preamp combo ? ;)


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milag wrote:
Maybe the real question should be reversed - any bits and bytes out there that can rival a good turntable and phono preamp combo ? ;)

Now, now, and I so carefully avoided saying or asking this. :D

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renehuot70 wrote:
the analog will never sound digital

it is a different technologie

it is not a matter of money

What he said. Two very different things.

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KJT1 wrote:
milag wrote:
Maybe the real question should be reversed - any bits and bytes out there that can rival a good turntable and phono preamp combo ? ;)

Now, now, and I so carefully avoided saying or asking this. :D


Damn, here we go again :D

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I've recently poured a ton of money into what many would consider a superb front end for digital...including a LampizatOr Big 7...it's as close as I've come to really challenging my vinyl front end...but vinyl still rules!!!

Like as it has been pointed out...two different technologies...one will never equal the other.

Apples and oranges.

End of story!!! 8)

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There are turntables with integrated analog to digital converters. Does that count??

Question to the OP. Have you heard a quality analog front end?


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Lossless what? I'm not aware of anything that's truly lossless.

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Ugh here we go...


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That's pretty hard to answer. I have invested a great deal in both my analog and digital setups. What I can say is that most CDs I own sound quite good with some better than others. When it comes to vinyl it's more of a variance. Some records,mostly older original recordings sound fabulous where others which are quite often new reissues which cost too much are quite often disappointing. By the way I use a record cleaning machine and have close to $4K in my analog system and $2.5 K in my digital.


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