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PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 5:52 pm 
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Hi There,

I'm not very familiar with Tube Phono Stage Preamps. I was wondering if you could give me some good ideas on good Tube Phono stage Preamps. I would like to keep the cost no higher than a grand.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 5:59 pm 
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You could checkout anything from Pro-ject to EAR and is it moving magnet or coil?

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 6:05 pm 
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Price range?


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I'm going to try and keep it at around $1000 and it would be MM. My current setup is I'm running my turntable through my Linn Majik DSM server.

These are the Phono stages I've owned it the past.

Project Phono Box II
Pro-ject Phono Stage Tube Box s
Clearaudio Basic Phono Preamp


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 6:21 pm 
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This is a very nice step up from your Tube-box s.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 6:30 pm 
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No Projects as I've had a couple and thinking something a little higher-end. But thanks.

-- 17 Nov 2017 22:31 --

This was posted yesterday for only and a day and was sold. I tried to buy it but he said it is sold.
http://www.canuckaudiomart.com/details/ ... ube-phono/


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Maybe something like this?

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I used to own the Grant Fidelity version of this unit
http://www.canuckaudiomart.com/details/ ... ubes-c250/
replaced the tubes with a pair if telefunken 12ax7's and Amperex 7316 and it elevated well it beyond its price point would suggest.


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I have a Musical Paradise MP-P1.

They go for approx $500 on the used market.

A great piece that uses 4 x 12ax7 tubes!

M/P has recently launched the MP-P2 that is just over $1100.

Certainly worth looking into!

Happy Listening!


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Jolida JD9 (original, not version II) for MM and HOMC, + SUT if you want to use LOMC's. They occasionally show up on CAM. I have one but I'm building my own phono stage now.

Whats the rest of your system consist of? You may buy an inexpensive phono pre and it'll be noisy. I have a very revealing system and the JD9 is quiet, and sounds good. But someone using 1970's-80's Marantz, Sansui, etc probably won't benefit from a more expensive phone stage.

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The Electronic Depot (No affiliation) has the Jolida unit on sale right now...

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I would look for a good used EAR 834. If you find one at a good price you could keep it for a year or so and sell for close to what you paid. Great company and a very reliable , good sounding unit.

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My advice:

1. Go to the Graham Slee website and invest 30 minutes of your time reading all you can about the company's way on doing things. Those are not flavour-of-the-month cheap chinese-sourced products.

2. Seek out information on the Era Gold V. It is a 15 year old product still in the catalog and has achieved legendary status, still made in the U.K. It sounds rich, just amazing for the price, low noise level silent, and '' always-on " reliable. In fact on the GS home page you will find an article " 15 year old Era Gold V Wins " In one listening test, it beat a $ 4,500 preamp...

3. Buy a Graham Slee Era Gold V new or on the used market. And think about adding the upgraded power supply if you ever get the itch to "upgrade" your preamp in time. The standard PSU is great, but the upgraded one takes it to another level.

If you don't like the Era Gold V, it will sell very quickly garanteed.

I have owned one and it was just great.


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I own a Slee Era Gold V as well as a Yaqin Tube Phono with PSvane matched 12ax7s... The upgraded tubes are very much more silent than the stock cheap ones that come with. But, in terms of low noise, the Slee beats it in every respect, and sounds very smooth and analogue. Did not like the Slee with HOMC. So I kept both for different carts. Sounded great with 2M Blue & Bronze.


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HOMC is probably the most difficult cartridge design consideration to get right, in the 'final sound of finished product' department.

the inductance problem of MM rears it's head, and the unwanted higher mass of the moving coil being well...more massy..that adds in.

Two of the things you almost always get rid of - when you move to low output MC. The very reason for low output mc to exist.

Med-low output mc is another attempt to reach sonic nirvana, with mixed results.

Too high a gain in a RIAA scenario also brings more problems. tube ~tends~ to be less likely to add distortion/noise when you get to high gain RIAA. high voltage rails are a benefit, of sorts, if properly utilized. Note that most of the high rail voltage solid state units tend to sound quite good. It's the low voltage op amp ones that generally have the most difficult time dealing with high gain RIAA.

Traditionally, the best sound from mc was with low output, low impedance (low numbers of light wire in the coil windings), and use a properly matched step up transformer, into a standard MM section with medium gain, not high gain.

thus three things to avoid: high mass coils, with high impedance/high inductance windings, and too high a gain in the RIAA section.

These things together as a set, tend to bring out dirty mid-highs, obscured by electronic distortion and tracing noise/distortion.

Shooting in the dark for phono nirvana, usually involves: low output MC (10 ohm or less), Transformer step-up, and med-low gain (50db) tube RIAA.

All the positives arranged so as to avoid the negatives as much as possible.

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