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PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 12:32 pm 
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From my reading it's clear that the stereo image improves on a 2 channel system if the space between the speakers is free of equipment. ideally the further away the better.

I have a 13 by 19 foot room with the speakers about 4 feet from the back of the short wall and three feet from the side walls. Currently my rig is right between the speakers about 2 feet closer to the back wall than the speakers. I can move everything close to one side wall so my turntable is about 2 to 3 feet from the corner of the room leaving most of the space between the speakers free of equipment other than my amp and power conditioner.

My concern is putting the turntable so close to a room corner. Will the bass in the corner cause more turntable issues than the improvement in stereo image? The room is treated with bass traps.

Normally, I would just try it but it's not an easy job to move and re level everything.


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@OP, I had a setup like the one you're describing, with the turntable in a corner. It was on a Target shelf screwed to an outside wall. There was a bag of pink fibreglass under it, as a clumsy sort of bass trap, and I would tend to discount the contribution of the "trap" to the sonic result.

When I eventually moved the turntable out of the corner, the image did improve. I think a corner is likely to be a terribly problematic placement for any turntable. I don't think my own "bass trap" effort should be considered a data point, but I am not optimistic about bass trapping elsewhere being able to control a corner placement effectively.

This is not much different from your own feeling about the setup. And you probably have to try your idea out, to be sure.


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Thanks for your post. My intuition tells me you're right.


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Puttin the TT in the corner is not the worst idea, as that belongs to putting the TT on top of a speaker, but probably a close second.


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In my experience having equipment on a stand between the speakers is not a problem given that the stand is behind the front plane of the speakers. It helps if the stand is not particularity high.
I tend to think that this is one of those old *audio wisdoms* that is in fact often not true. It reminds me of the * must have spikes on loudspeakers* which again is as likely to make things worse ( depending on your preferences) as better.


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I had a similar set up with equip on a low rack behind and between the speakers. I had a chance to try moving all the equipment to a separate concrete wine cellar beside my listening room. This completely isolated the gear from any sound. My treated listening room now consists of speakers (on sand filled stands) and some seating positions.
Have no idea how much of an improvement it made. :shock: Couldn't exactly get a side-by-side comparison and near impossible to definitively come to any conclusion other than, it couldn't be worse!
I wouldn't suggest ever putting any equip in the corner of the room but, where you already have it set is probably as good as you can get short of going my route.


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I had a similar set up with equip on a low rack behind and between the speakers. I had a chance to try moving all the equipment to a separate concrete wine cellar beside my listening room. This completely isolated the gear from any sound. My treated listening room now consists of speakers (on sand filled stands) and some seating positions.
Have no idea how much of an improvement it made. :shock: Couldn't exactly get a side-by-side comparison and near impossible to definitively come to any conclusion other than, it couldn't be worse!
I wouldn't suggest ever putting any equip in the corner of the room but, where you already have it set is probably as good as you can get short of going my route.



I hope your wine cellar isn't damp for the sake of your equipment.


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In my experience having equipment on a stand between the speakers is not a problem given that the stand is behind the front plane of the speakers.

Agreed.
Get any "first reflection" issues taken care of [IE. bring the speakers out front as much as possible], and you're in good shape.
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Just a thought... Or observation. I've got a corner console that I place my turntable on, and amplifier/tuner in with side storage and doors that I put all my issues of Stereophile and other rags in along with some various out of circulation hi-fi equipment such as cartridge boxes, various cables etc...

It normally sits to the left of the speakers and TV etc in the living room, in the centre portion of the household. Now that it is getting close to Christmas time, I move it to make room for the Christmas tree, and place it on the corner wall of the house. I somehow notice a better sound on the right side (corner of the house). Could this be because of a stronger, more stable support for the entire rack (MDF console)?

I assume the corner of the house would have a more solid place to place it? I also think that there's more of a bass trap opposite the speakers, as I can definitely hear an increase in bass output while standing in that corner... As infrequently as I do... I've noticed it.

I don't really notice it to the right, or left, of the speakers where the table sits.

It isn't suspended, say on a target stand mounted to the wall... Of course, I do also have to adjust the feet of my equipment when I move it. I assume due to the subtle variations of the flooring of the wood... A 50+ year old house with original hardwood floors... Probably not the best for hifi, but hey what can you do?

Using a pair of stand mount Tannoys. Surprisingly deep bass, considering I've also tried my Monitor Audio Silver 2s with 2" larger mid/bass drivers... The Tannoys seem to have a more solid enclosure... And a front port, instead of rear.


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I wouldn't dwell on it.Place gear for form follows function and shortest cable length.
As for speakers.

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From my reading it's clear that the stereo image improves on a 2 channel system if the space between the speakers is free of equipment. ideally the further away the better.

I have a 13 by 19 foot room with the speakers about 4 feet from the back of the short wall and three feet from the side walls. Currently my rig is right between the speakers about 2 feet closer to the back wall than the speakers. I can move everything close to one side wall so my turntable is about 2 to 3 feet from the corner of the room leaving most of the space between the speakers free of equipment other than my amp and power conditioner.

My concern is putting the turntable so close to a room corner. Will the bass in the corner cause more turntable issues than the improvement in stereo image? The room is treated with bass traps.

Normally, I would just try it but it's not an easy job to move and re level everything.



Not necessarily
As long as shelf is small and back from speakers sufficiently do what you gotta do
More issues is house stuff coffee tables, stuff in front, to close to side of those speakers in some cases..
When I owned my home had turntable and electronics in hallway in off in out of the way, never had feedback or issues
I would avoid probably a corner placement for turntable in same room but it depends whole system involved and interconnection


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