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 Post subject: Upgrade advice
PostPosted: Sat Aug 05, 2017 2:06 pm 
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Greetings all

Just looking for options and or a reality check as to what to upgrade. To be clear this system sounds great but as is usual looking for ways to improve . Mostly just some ideas that I can explore over the next few weeks. All suggestions are welcome but please don't slag my gear if you don't like it, remember it's a subjective hobby

Current 2 channel line up

-Custom music server ( this will stay put) Sotm USB out to
- Audiobyte Hydra Z USB bridge with the Hydra ZPM power supply to
-Calyx Femto Dac balanced out to
-Gamut Audio Di150 Limted Edition integrated amp to (this stays put)
-Gamut Audio M5's
-2 Rel G1 subwoofers

Speakers I have auditioned and like:

-Vienna Acoustics "The Music"
-Audio Physics Adventera plus ( not the current model)
-PMC fact twelve ( they were new and expensive)
-Gamut RS5 ( used and not the current model and expensive)

So any thoughts to explore here I'm all ears.... so to speak

Thanks in advance

Edit: not just thinking speakers really the only thing I know is staying is the Gamut amp

Plus there is a CAM member selling a pair of Rockport Atrias , has anyone heard a set of these??


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 Post subject: Re: Upgrade advice
PostPosted: Sat Aug 05, 2017 5:33 pm 
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It really looks like it's about your speaker set up. You say you want to keep the amp -- very nice -- and your digital front end. So that just leaves the speakers. As I recall the conversation on those speakers, they boost the mids and upper mids. And they lack a little down below. So I'd look to replace the speaker set up, including the subs, with a more balanced pair of speakers that go low enough that you can eliminate the subs. Part of that process would be knowing the type(s) of music you listen to, as well as your musical values -- what's most important for you? That said, I'd take a look at the Devores that are for sale. Depending on how much you're willing to put into a new pair of speakers, there's a newish pair of Xs for sale
http://www.canuckaudiomart.com/details/ ... -gibbon-x/

and a pair of Silverback Reference:
http://www.canuckaudiomart.com/details/ ... ed-anigre/

and a pair of O'96:
http://www.usaudiomart.com/details/6493 ... dspeakers/

Devore speakers are known for their balance across the audio spectrum, their ability to open up and present a wide, deep and high sound stage, and their tonal accuracy. All beautiful sounding works of music.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 05, 2017 5:42 pm 
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You have 2 G1 subs? Good God, that is some major excellent bass.... I would grab the Gamut speakers and keep the subs... that is a major rock show with those subs... Don't go dicking around with anything else, it is all good.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 05, 2017 6:11 pm 
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The subs are brought in at 40 hz just for a foundation .... but...the system ties into my home theatre set up and do the duties for the movies as well.... I'm not likely to remove them if only for that reason.

I did see the Devores for sale but have no experience whatsoever with them . The speakers I've listened to are all more or less in the London area and yes it does seem the speaker set up is where the change needs to be made .... mostly because I shutter to think how much money it would take to make a quantifiable improvement in pre amp or amp .

The music....well everything really and literally from the hardest to the softest

Although the Devires suggestion is something I will be googling to have a closer look


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 05, 2017 6:48 pm 
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Have you thought about staying in the GamuT family considering the integrated you own?

I see S7's show up on US Audio Mart at least once a year. Something between your speakers and the Zodiac would probably be fantastic sound (your speakers are already very good though)


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 05, 2017 7:15 pm 
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James_W wrote:
Have you thought about staying in the GamuT family considering the integrated you own?

I see S7's show up on US Audio Mart at least once a year. Something between your speakers and the Zodiac would probably be fantastic sound (your speakers are already very good though)


This is a good point, although it sounds ridiculous to say it out loud but my budget is between 15-18K(ish)..... hard to find a step up in the Gamuts line up for that money....

And yes the M5's are turning out to be hard to change from.... although not neutral in the conventional sense that have an addictive quality to them


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 05, 2017 7:43 pm 
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The best upgrade is a dedicated line...followed by Furutech receptacles...IMCO...

An Audience Adept Response power conditioner is another good upgrade. :wink:

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I have two fully dedicated 20 amp true isolated ground circuits terminated with Hubbles best...

All good there


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I have two fully dedicated 20 amp true isolated ground circuits terminated with Hubbles best...

All good there


Hmmm...Hubbles...I guess... :lol:

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 05, 2017 7:56 pm 
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Hubbell.... if you please

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I think James has a good idea about the used Gamut RS7

or...not sure how these measure up T+A speakers

http://www.rutherfordaudio.com/shop/cad ... akers.html


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Those look a lot like Acoustic Zen Crescendo's ..... of which I'm in the process of arranging an audition with a CAM member of no ill repute...

However I have never heard of these... looks like more homework to do!


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 05, 2017 8:24 pm 
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I think T+A are German and Rutherford may be the Canadian distributor they are in Richmond, BC
I don't know what they sound like, kinda like the looks of the line, they have a lot of finish options

Maybe this is a dumb suggestion. Your DAC is excellent, a little older now
New DAC...https://www.vinshineaudio.com/product-p ... or-r2r-dac


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I heard one of their DACs in a system I was familiar with and it was extreamly good

Edit.... it's absolutely another option to change out the dac.... i tried the simaudio 780D in here and it was very good, a richer fuller sounding unit all across the spectrum but not a wholesale improvement over the Calyx Femto... at least not to the extent that 10k was or should have bought.


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I cant afford the Terminator, I am looking at the Pontus
The Terminator although not cheap, is state of the art and is really kicking butt on some very very expensive DACs


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