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PostPosted: Wed May 17, 2017 9:19 am 
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Please help me decide if I should go for this TT.

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PostPosted: Wed May 17, 2017 10:32 am 
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Yes, if its in good condition. That is, unless you can find a decent Sota in Canada elsewhere f/s. I jumped on a VPI this week and the SOTA is probably excellent too. SOTA= "State of the Art".

Look at the price in the US and do the conversion plus tax and shipping. And, free shipping from US vendors is almost NEVER for Canada unless you get shipment to a mailbox in Niagara Falls ON. That is a huge hassle to save small $ though.

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My friend sold his Star Sapphire for $1800 a couple years ago (under my username). It also had the SME IV, and a DL103 in good shape. He got $1800 for it, I believe. The one you're looking at might be a little nicer cosmetically. If the Cardas is useable, then I'd say the asking price is in the right ballpark.


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Sarchi wrote:
My friend sold his Star Sapphire for $1800 a couple years ago (under my username). It also had the SME IV, and a DL103 in good shape. He got $1800 for it, I believe. The one you're looking at might be a little nicer cosmetically. If the Cardas is useable, then I'd say the asking price is in the right ballpark.

If you have a time machine you can get one for $1800. Personally I'd buy as many as I could get for that price now.

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The Star is a vacuum table and quite a bit pricier at the checkout. This is the older version I'm guessing 1990's so it may have been riding on the springs for some long time. That said mine is early 1990s and still going strong. Another member here bought one recently from a dealer in SWO with a set of replacement springs (inferior arm maybe although it may have been a sumiko premier I think) for a fraction of that. That said all things analogue seem to be skyrocketing....

They are nice tables, had mine for near a decade now...

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Yes I bought a late 80's Sapphire for about 1/4 of that but the springs and belt were pooched I had a woodworking buddy build me a new plinth with some inlays in it so I am still refinishing it before I assemble it. Mine had the Premier FT-3 arm on it so not as nice as the SME, I did use the table for about a month before I took it apart with some of Todd's footers suspending the chassis. Sounded awesome. Definitely you need to check the condition of the springs as the platter and sub chassis hang on them at all times. Mine came with a set of springs which I believe Sota charges 200 bucks for and it is quite a job installing and setting them up.I have no idea what that arm is worth but maybe the asking price is a little high IMHO. Great table though!! D.R. p.s. The record clamp with that table is worth a couple hundred on its own


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Or how about a VPI with Eminent Technology ET 2 arm on it?

Which is an overall better turntable, Sota or VPI?

I appreciate everyone's input here. Many Thanks


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Which VPI and what floor material will it be standing on?

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Yes I bought a late 80's Sapphire for about 1/4 of that but the springs and belt were pooched I had a woodworking buddy build me a new plinth with some inlays in it so I am still refinishing it before I assemble it. Mine had the Premier FT-3 arm on it so not as nice as the SME, I did use the table for about a month before I took it apart with some of Todd's footers suspending the chassis. Sounded awesome. Definitely you need to check the condition of the springs as the platter and sub chassis hang on them at all times. Mine came with a set of springs which I believe Sota charges 200 bucks for and it is quite a job installing and setting them up.I have no idea what that arm is worth but maybe the asking price is a little high IMHO. Great table though!! D.R. p.s. The record clamp with that table is worth a couple hundred on its own



I think that arm runs $2k plus. Th latest version of that table is $4kish I think. I'd like to see some pics of your handiwork.

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[quote="Che Cavolo"]Which VPI and what floor material will it be standing on?


It will be sitting on a Target Stand, and the its the VPI MK 2.


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naimkid wrote:
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Which VPI and what floor material will it be standing on?


It will be sitting on a Target Stand, and the its the VPI MK 2.


VPI has many tables with a Mk2 designation. I assume that the VPI table is a HW-19 Mk2?


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brf wrote:
naimkid wrote:
Che Cavolo wrote:
Which VPI and what floor material will it be standing on?


It will be sitting on a Target Stand, and the its the VPI MK 2.


VPI has many tables with a Mk2 designation. I assume that the VPI table is a HW-19 Mk2?



You are right, it is HW 19 MK 2.


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naimkid wrote:
Che Cavolo wrote:
Which VPI and what floor material will it be standing on?


It will be sitting on a Target Stand, and the its the VPI MK 2.



Floor material?

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Che Cavolo wrote:
naimkid wrote:
Che Cavolo wrote:
Which VPI and what floor material will it be standing on?


It will be sitting on a Target Stand, and the its the VPI MK 2.



Floor material?


Concrete Floor is carpeted.

Please help me understand this Eminent ET 2 arm, does it work with some kind of air compressor?


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From the 2015 TAS Buyer's Guide:

SOTA Sapphire Series V
$2700
The Series V upgrade of this venerable David Fletcher classic boasts improvements in parts, engineering, machining, and performance— all retrofittable to earlier versions. Its time-proven four‑point hanging suspension is still the ultimate in isolating the ’arm/pickup/ groove from external disturbances. For PS, the Sapphire is the least expensive turntable in his experience to reach the echelon of what the so-called “super-turntables” are all about, sacrificing only a bit of ultimate resolution and control, most of which you get back by adding vacuum hold-down or by getting it already fitted in SOTA’s Star or Nova models ($3800/4200). Recommended without qualification. sotaturntables.com

I recall that in the original review, he noted that San Francisco, where he lived at the time, had a small temblor and the stylus never left the groove during the quake. I'm a Linn guy, but if I was looking for a suspended 'table other than a Linn, I would definitely consider this one. I'd also consider a VPI so it might boil down to which I came across first - at the right price, which I think this SOTA is with that arm. Obviously, a demo would be ideal.

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naimkid wrote:

Concrete Floor is carpeted.

Please help me understand this Eminent ET 2 arm, does it work with some kind of air compressor?

So the floor is ideal for suspended tables. It's an apple and an orange. I beleive the upgrade to an hw19 is replacing the springs with sorbothane isolators. Long time since I heard an HW, I think VPI has gone away from springs, SOTA stuck with it. My preference was the latter.

ET2 is a linear tracker that uses air to help the wand slide down the support system. There would be guys here who know a lot more about it.

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