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 Post subject: Power Cables
PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2017 11:45 am 
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i just purchased a Denon AVR - X7200WA receiver and an Oppo UDP 203, would a new power cables make a substantial difference in sound, picture etc? i was thinking going for the Denon with Shunyata Research Venom HC or the Alpha Analog and for the Oppo Venom 3 or Venom Digital. or could you suggest other power cables brand that would be just as good or better for basically the same price or cheaper. thanks for you inputs.


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 Post subject: Re: Power Cables
PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2017 12:05 pm 
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try it.... IMHO it is a great upgrade


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 Post subject: Re: Power Cables
PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2017 12:39 pm 
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you could try audiosensibility talk to steven


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 Post subject: Re: Power Cables
PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2017 12:47 pm 
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If possible, borrow a cable before you decide to buy.

You may be one of those people—like me—who do not, when the AWG is the same, hear any difference between "regular" and "audiophile" power cables


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2017 12:52 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Power Cables
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dr.joe wrote:
If possible, borrow a cable before you decide to buy.

You may be one of those people—like me—who do not, when the AWG is the same, hear any difference between "regular" and "audiophile" power cables

+1

I think that the general audiophile rule is this: "The more you pay, the more difference you will hear". :)

Perhaps the best plan would be to run a heavy gauge silver (not copper) power cable all the way back to the transformer down the street?
What difference can the last 1.5 metres of power supply cable make, when the house wiring is so low-quality? :D

Those expensive power cables do look nice, though...real 'eye candy'.


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 Post subject: Re: Power Cables
PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2017 2:29 pm 
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To Victoria Guy. Your components only 'see' the power cable so power cords are very important. Noise from power lines down the street and indeed within the home is almost inconsequential although a good power conditioner is essential, even with a dedicated line to drop the noise floor to true audiophile performance. It's all about the noise you do not hear as a separate event but nevertheless exists and pollutes the audio signal. This is the type of electronic noise that you didn't know was there until it is removed.

You will never really know how well any component can perform with a COTS power cord. Be aware though that ALL power cords need at least 100 hours before they begin to relax and deliver the goods. They also have their very own sonic signature as well so it is best to experience a well used cord of your preferred brand before you open your wallet. A good power cord can continue to improve beyond 500 hours usage.

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Prosoundman wrote:
You will never really know how well any component can perform with a COTS power cord. Be aware though that ALL power cords need at least 100 hours before they begin to relax and deliver the goods. They also have their very own sonic signature as well so it is best to experience a well used cord of your preferred brand before you open your wallet. A good power cord can continue to improve beyond 500 hours usage.


I definitely noticed that burn-in was required to align the crystals in my house wiring, after I had some electrical upgrades done.
The microwave and the kitchen radio work better now that the wiring has aged.


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 Post subject: Re: Power Cables
PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2017 2:48 pm 
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oops, double post :oops:

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2017 2:51 pm 
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VictoriaGuy wrote:
Prosoundman wrote:
You will never really know how well any component can perform with a COTS power cord. Be aware though that ALL power cords need at least 100 hours before they begin to relax and deliver the goods. They also have their very own sonic signature as well so it is best to experience a well used cord of your preferred brand before you open your wallet. A good power cord can continue to improve beyond 500 hours usage.


I definitely noticed that burn-in was required to align the crystals in my house wiring, after I had some electrical upgrades done.
The microwave and the kitchen radio work better now that the wiring has aged.


LMAO, never heard that one before...haha...heard.

It comes down to proximity, power cables with shielding can help if there is a lot of noise in the area and your equipment is susceptible to noise.

You do not need to spend a lot of money...it is about the shielding and a good connection. YMMV.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2017 3:15 pm 
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Power cables are one of the best deals ever. What else can you get that gets better with more use, yet costs less used?

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2017 3:17 pm 
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Energyguy999 wrote:
VictoriaGuy wrote:
Prosoundman wrote:
You will never really know how well any component can perform with a COTS power cord. Be aware though that ALL power cords need at least 100 hours before they begin to relax and deliver the goods. They also have their very own sonic signature as well so it is best to experience a well used cord of your preferred brand before you open your wallet. A good power cord can continue to improve beyond 500 hours usage.


I definitely noticed that burn-in was required to align the crystals in my house wiring, after I had some electrical upgrades done.
The microwave and the kitchen radio work better now that the wiring has aged.


LMAO, never heard that one before...haha...heard.

It comes down to proximity, power cables with shielding can help if there is a lot of noise in the area and your equipment is susceptible to noise.

You do not need to spend a lot of money...it is about the shielding and a good connection. YMMV.

Yes shielding can make a difference, but the entire line of cable to the shielded cable is susceptible to noise.

The shielded cable can not "filter" the noise already on the cable...

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2017 3:24 pm 
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Yes, shielding and connections are definitely part of the equation. The purity of the conductor and how the molecules align when energy is applied will determine how quiet the cable is when passing current and this delves deep into the area of lattice structures of materials. The dielectric or insulators is also of great importance as is damping as all cables resonate when passing charge. It's a whole science unto itself but suffice it to say; buying used cables is advisable as long as the terminations are intact.


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 Post subject: Re: Power Cables
PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2017 3:42 pm 
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experiment and experience is the only way to know...
there are many very good inexpensive power cables one can start with.

connectors are important.....connectors are important!!!!!

hubbell green dot in the wall is one easy cheap experiment. (twentybuckish)
i bought a furutech gtx on recommendations of couple folk who have... (it aint coming out).

AudioSensibility, TFA, Shunyata, Pangea, HarmonicTech 11, Gutwire B12, and many others have modest priced power cables.
perhaps try a cam member made offering....i suspect they will be pleased to be of assistance.

Pre owned are very cost efficient.
it is the first few feet to your gear and to hopefully for your ears to hear.


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If you want to start at the affordable end of the spectrum, you might want to consider these from Unity Audio:
http://unityaudio.ca/hope-edition.html


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