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PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2011 4:55 am 
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I am saving up my pennies for a move up in a turntable purchase. Currently I am running a very nice condition Thorens TD147 with a Sumiko Blue Point Special EVO III cartridge. I am running this on my second system and I find the depth of sound, while played with no tone controls engaged is just not cutting it. The phono pre is a Simaudio P3.

Used is also a way to go if you want to offer up this as an alternative to but new recommendations are welcome.
I would like to keep the cartridge as it has very few hours on it but again if you feel strongly that it should go, then it goes.

Picture of the setup included. The bench is going :P
Thanks in advance.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2011 5:17 am 
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If I were setting out to buy a commerical turntable (I mean, not DIY like the Lenco I own), I would probably either buy the turn-key Clearaudio Concept, complete with arm and cartridge for well under $2k, or I might search out a used VPI Classic (Very nice table...far better than the Scout series IMO)
The other option is to find an old lenco L75 or L78 and re-plinth it, following advice from Jean Nantais on the famous 'home despot' thread on that other audio site as well as the good folks over at Lenco Heaven. In the end, if you go with a PTP solution and a typical Rega RB250/300, you'll spend about 1K or so but have a fantastic table (as good as some costing many times as much IMO), especially for rock and jazz.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2011 5:40 am 
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Champ wrote:
I am saving up my pennies for a move up in a turntable purchase. Currently I am running a very nice condition Thorens TD147 with a Sumiko Blue Point Special EVO III cartridge. I am running this on my second system and I find the depth of sound, while played with no tone controls engaged is just not cutting it. The phono pre is a Simaudio P3.

Used is also a way to go if you want to offer up this as an alternative to but new recommendations are welcome.
I would like to keep the cartridge as it has very few hours on it but again if you feel strongly that it should go, then it goes.

Picture of the setup included. The bench is going :P
Thanks in advance.


Keep what you have but replace the tonearm. Get a new mounting board, install Sumiko, Jelco, Rega.. get a decent arm for under $300. Use the cart you have etc.. Don't make a lateral move. Other than doing what I suggested but get an Ariston RD11S or Heybrook TT2 for example, keep the Thorens.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2011 6:12 am 
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As one of the gentleman said in an earlier post
would be a very good upgrade to find a used
VPI Classic table in your price range.
I owned one for a while and if I still had the vinyl
touch might have been the lasting turntable purchase.

Can't beat it for the dollars punches wwwway above
it's price. One of the bargins in Vinyl.


All the best Les


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2011 7:09 am 
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I'll echo a previous suggestion - Clearaudio Concept! There's too many excellent reviews not to include this rig in your decision process.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2011 7:26 am 
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lesjames wrote:
As one of the gentleman said in an earlier post
would be a very good upgrade to find a used
VPI Classic table in your price range.
I owned one for a while and if I still had the vinyl
touch might have been the lasting turntable purchase.

Can't beat it for the dollars punches wwwway above
it's price. One of the bargins in Vinyl.


All the best Les


That's the table that has me keenly interested.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2011 7:28 am 
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Here's something from the same people that manufacture parts for many TT companies including Clearaudio...

Hanss Acoustics - T20.

http://hanssacoustics.com/

Enjoy,

Francis R. :D


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2011 7:42 am 
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In my experience the best bang for the buck would definitely be a used Technics SP-10MKII, plus some outlay for a check/refurb by a competent technician, and a decent birch plywood plinth. In the future, you can go as "high" as you want with tonearm/cartridge/plinth upgrades. . .


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2011 7:51 am 
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Something completely different that you might consider: Opera-Consonance LP 6.1 Turntable with T1288 12" carbon fibre damped unipivot tonearm for around $1425US. Very impressive with a Dynavector 10X5

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2011 8:43 am 
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Wow!! Some very good advice from you guys. Keep it coming.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2011 10:30 am 
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I just got a VPI HW19 mk. 3 off Cam here on a partial trade.

It didnt have an arm so I used my Jelco 250 with mt AT OC9 from my Revolver.

I am a very happy person with this new table and would highly recommend a HW 19 as a bonafide upgrade over the Ariston RE 11 E I was using with the Jelco SA 50 arm and an Ortofon Concorde.

The Revolver is good too and has a great arm, which now resides on my VPI but the VPI gives me more musical detail.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2011 10:40 am 
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Used VPI classic is a great way to go for around $2000.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2011 11:19 am 
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As someone who went the Clearaudio route while there is no question it is a very nice sounding (and great looking) table I would be all over the VPI Classic knowing what I know now. In my view the VPI is a higher quality table and easier to adjust should you get into changing carts....


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2011 12:24 pm 
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Thorens makes a great table. What is not working and how do you know it is the table. My guess is you might need a better amp or pre amp.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2011 12:33 pm 
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Champ wrote:
Wow!! Some very good advice from you guys. Keep it coming.


That roxy album is one of my main plays – excellent sounding lp !

I was in exactly your position about 4 or 5 years ago.
This has been my path
Technics 1200 - re-engaged my love for feel and sound of vinyl - then
VPI HW19 mk IV with ET 2 arm - wonderful sounding table
Then sold and bought a VPI TNT 3 with another ET 2 arm – getting better still.
Then bought a Technics SP10 MkII as a 2nd TT project and all hell broke lose.
Put it into a 7 layer birch plinth and added two arms to it - ET 2 and VPI 12.
This set up was the equal of the TNT – sounding different but just as good. Two main tables now.

Then based on audigon thread tried the plinthless route with isolated arm pod.
This set up is now my main rig and it surpasses my TNT which is in storage.
Cost:
SP10 MkII or equivalent level Direct Drive motor platter from Denon, JVC/Victor, Kenwood, etc.. - $800 -1000.
3 legs for isolation – you probably have many lying around – cones / spikes of some kind.
Your absolute choice of tonearm – no limitations. Lets say $500 for now. $500 for cartridge of choice.
One solid aluminum piece $30 - $60 cut for you from Metal Supermarkets.
Three spikes to isolate the armpod. You can take these from extra target or other audio stands.
$20 for the tap die tool to drill the holes to hold your tonearm plate and the spikes.
Sound – priceless
DIY skill level - 3 / 10.

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