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PostPosted: Sat Dec 12, 2009 7:46 pm 
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I'm looking to build a pair to Totem Hawk clones. I have a friend who is a full time professional woodsmith, and can build a pair of enclosures for 300-$400 in walnut veneer, (factory finish too)

#1, Do you think Hawks are a good clone or do you have a better idea?
#2, Are there any kits that you would recommend, that would be good? Like from Solen?
#3, What do you think the resale value would be for something like this? Not that I would sell them right away, but I don't want to dump money into something, that I could have just bought a used pair for the same price.


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 12, 2009 7:55 pm 
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Closest thing I've seen lately were these:

http://www.canuckaudiomart.com/details/ ... st_clone_/


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 12, 2009 8:44 pm 
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If you have a professional doing the cabinetry, I would consider something along the lines of a Sonus clone. The curved cabinets add alot of appeal, if you build something that looks like a Sonus using say the twin tower kit from Solen, I am sure alot of people would jump at the prospect of buying them.
I think someone mentioned before the idea of a Sonus clone.

Honestly looks go a really long way with DIY


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 12, 2009 9:14 pm 
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I would never venture into DIY waters if resale value were the concern...the value in DIY is the pride of having done something for yourself, and (usually) much much cheaper than you could possibly buy a commercial product.
It's really hard to recommend any designs that may be out there since I can only see you initial suggestion of the Hawk, but along those lines there are quite a few...Along with Solen, you can check these:
Check out Humble Homemade HiFi -that guy has dones tons of work listening to various builds he's done...
Another is Madisound.com - they have several kits ad can supply just about any component you might need/
Parts express has a lot of ideas floating around as well..
finally, DIYAudio.com has a lot of really experienced builder threads on it...
Enjoy,
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Really hard to sell clones. Your best bet is to build something with really good parts and wiring then use it yourself. For around 1-2K$ you should be able to put something together that will compete with the $5k-$10k spks.

For example I have a set with 2 d'apolitto Eton 7's around Heil Air Motion Transformers. Internal wiring is Nirvana, connectors are Cardas and the crossover is currently utilizing Mundorf Silver in oil caps. Next I may try Deuland caps.
I have heard nothing under $10k that makes me feel any urge to upgrade.

I thought my design was original until I discovered these guys using a similar driver combination...
http://www.adam-audio.com/en/home-audio ... k3/gallery

Check these out as a quick example of current offerings on Canuck...
http://www.canuckaudiomart.com/details/ ... speakerts/
http://www.canuckaudiomart.com/view_ima ... id=1270379


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 12, 2009 10:35 pm 
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From what I have gathered so far:

2x$80 U.S.: Dynavox 8" or 6" woofer:
http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdet ... er=295-605

2x$25: Seas 25TA GW06 Tweeter:
http://www.solen.ca/pub/cms_nf_catalogu ... =&niveau3=

I also like the usher paper/pulp woofer look:
http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdet ... er=296-600

Now I just have to figure out a crossover design.


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Although I haven't heard these speakers, they look to be the chit for the diy'ers...if anyone can chime in on these, I was considering building a set myself.

http://www.linkwitzlab.com/orion_challenge.htm


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I'll second (or third, fourth etc...) those who say don't try DIY if resale is your highest priority. What you can get with DIY is the pride of accomplishment, and a set of speakers that will compete with storebought speakers at 8 or 10 times the price of your investment.

If you're just getting into it, I highly suggest trying a pre-designed established design. Crossover design is not easy, and theres alot of trial and error.

Check out
http://www.htguide.com/forum/showthread.php4?t=28655
for some great designs

Also
http://www.troelsgravesen.dk/Diy_Loudsp ... ojects.htm
for a on more projects, and alot of driver specific designs.


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aaasen wrote:
If you have a professional doing the cabinetry, I would consider something along the lines of a Sonus clone. The curved cabinets add alot of appeal, if you build something that looks like a Sonus using say the twin tower kit from Solen, I am sure alot of people would jump at the prospect of buying them.
I think someone mentioned before the idea of a Sonus clone.

Honestly looks go a really long way with DIY


These being much more complex and labour intensive than a set of simple boxes (like the totem hawk) I'd imagine the price would go up quite a it above $300 to $400... :lol:


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If I had a pal who could build boxes like that I would go for the best North Creek kit I could afford. I like their sound better than the Hawks, they use the best dynamic drivers on the market, their crossover parts are second to none and their designs are good enough to be imitated all over the world.

The catch with North Creek used to be placement. Their dynamic designs were made specifically to go near the wall ( a neat trick if you can do it ) and if you could place speakers out into the room they were not for you. But now the company appears to have brought back the best of its free field designs. The least expensive of these measured IM distortion lower than many amplifiers in tests by Speaker Builder magazine. I just have to try it...

http://www.northcreekmusic.com/

... and North Creeks actually have a resale value!


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Was a good idea ask from people who have gone around the block on this issue already.

Make sure you price out all of the components and where you can get them from before any fabrication
Also, I've found Lawrence at Excel to be a great source - he sells Mundorf Caps and ribbon Inductors.
Even plan out which wire you are going to use.
The crossover is the heart of a speaker - don't skimp on quality here.

Also, investigate kits

Build cabinets like a brick pooh house - heavily braced.

What Speakers match your Amp ?


A Sonus Fabers clone was my immediate thought too - but its a little too much ask from someone doing you a favour.

Another idea would be to find a pair of dual concentric Tannoys that need a new home - build narrower cabinets for them.
I've done this, but wish I picked better dual concentrics.
In the early '90's I didn't know which were the great Tannoys.

Also, rebuilding JBL 100's seems very popular.
Have him rebuild a set cabinets for these
http://www.canuckaudiomart.com/details/ ... ial_price/
Include lots of WAF


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 13, 2009 10:27 am 
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You could also try these guys
http://www.zalytron.com/
I have purchased crossover components from them, they know there stuff
Good luck with your project


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 13, 2009 12:18 pm 
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I have built similar speakers, a scanspeak solen kit. I would go with a kit for sure. You would be disapointed if you tried to design your own crossovers, cabinet size etc.
Have a look at Selah Audio, check out his forum. Good luck.
http://www.selahaudio.com/


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Totem aren't just plain boxes, how they are put together is very important. There are alot of unknowns to screw up. If you were going to do a DIY build I would stick with one of the better known clones such as the proac 2.5. Every thing has been figured out for you and you would have a chance at being able to resell them.


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re_curly81 wrote:
I'm looking to build a pair to Totem Hawk clones. I have a friend who is a full time professional woodsmith, and can build a pair of enclosures for 300-$400 in walnut veneer, (factory finish too)

#1, Do you think Hawks are a good clone or do you have a better idea?
#2, Are there any kits that you would recommend, that would be good? Like from Solen?
#3, What do you think the resale value would be for something like this? Not that I would sell them right away, but I don't want to dump money into something, that I could have just bought a used pair for the same price.


Stick with an existing kit that you have to build cabs for, since you have a friend who can do this, the battle is already half won. Solen has kits, Creative Sound in BC, Parts Express has kits, complete with crossovers and recommended drivers, Madisound is a good source as well.....personally I'd stick with a Canadian source so you don;t get dinged with broker fees.
Resale value? Don't expect any more than what you've spent, I think 75% of your investment would be a fair asking price. If you're mai intention is to re-sell them, you're better off NOT building them, and buying a brand that can be flipped easily - like the Totem Hawk you're thinking of cloning ;)

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