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PostPosted: Sat Jan 21, 2017 5:22 pm 
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NordicNorm wrote:
I doubt you will find anything for $2K that will best your Aragon. Sound different? Sure. But sound better? Doubtful (IMHO).

Spend $1,200 - $1,500 on getting components upgraded (e.g. capacitors, resistors, rectifiers and transistors)?


Thats interesting. If I knew how to do it or where to get it done.


Sorry, can't help you there. I left Winnipeg in 1981.

Someone on these boards should be able to point you to someone?

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If I upgrade I want to be sure I dont make a parallel move. Some models which come to mind are the McCormack DNA 225 or possibly 500, older Pass Labs 250x etc.

http://www.usaudiomart.com/details/649333741-pass-labs-x150/

http://www.usaudiomart.com/details/649334689-pass-labs-x250-2-channel-stereo-amp/
http://www.usaudiomart.com/details/649311942-pass-labs-x250-stereo-amplifier/

'lakesailo' says: >>Ultimately I ended up going with a Pass Labs X150; and that my friend is truly a wonderful amplifier. I would not say it is the same league as a full on Mark Levinson; but it certainly was in a different league from the Belles and Aragon.<< http://forum.polkaudio.com/discussion/75148/looking-at-amps-1-000

'blackraven' says: >>Stay away from the older X150 (not the 150.5). Pass Labs told me that the old X150 is not the same as the X250 and above. It does not sound the same and there are different electronics in it.<< http://forums.audioreview.com/amps-preamps/pass-labs-x250-39583-2.html

'wings' says: >> had an Aragon 8008BB once, it was nice, put you back in the middle section of seating. If you have forward sounding speaker, this would be a good match. The Pass X150 would probably be my choice between the two; I recently heard the X350 and I believe Pass keeps the family sound more or less, just a power difference. The Pass is the more curent designed amp.<< http://www.martinloganowners.com/forum/showthread.php?8683-Aragon-8008BB-vs-Pass-Labs-X150

'Big Dog RJ' says: >>Infact one of my favourite sounds in the good old days were Pass amps driving the big Apogee Diva's which I had, and then moved on towards Audio Research hence the journey with tubes began along with c-j as front end equipment. Like I said before, if someone is hooked onto that Pass Labs sound, then you will like it, and I must say it is actually quite superb. However, the issues start with system matching and price points. For me in SS designs regardless of price: 1. Naim Statements, 2. Vitus Audio, 3. Dan's Momentums, 4. Pass Labs. Then comes along McIntosh which is in my budget category, being one of my favourite in "true value" in amplification. You don't have to spend a huge amount on Mac amps, and they deliver the goods equally well compared to the best!<< http://www.whatsbestforum.com/showthread.php?16643-Pass-Labs-XA200-8-vs-the-world/page2&s=69082b7ea296d359e948dfa67ac6e72b

'Stereophilus' says: >>Finally the Pass X250.5. I've heard this before at the Osmium Palace on the big Dynaudio's. It suits big speakers well. It has massive grunt, and was the most extended amp of any we heard on the day. It had more air and more bass. It's presentation was drier than the Vitus or ARC. Even when cranked, the funky blue power meter barely shifted, suggesting it was still only toying with the PMCs... Teasing us to turn it up more! It all depends on what you like. I could quite easily live with the Vitus, Pass or Mola Mola Kalugas amps I had in few weeks ago. I just can't let go of the ARC. I love it too much, and even more after the shoot out. It is not the most detailed, transparent, or dynamic amplifier I've heard, but it is still the most musical, the one that draws me in. The most detailed, transparent and dynamic amplifier I've heard is the Mola Mola Kalugas, which I am still seriously contemplating buying.<< http://www.stereo.net.au/forums/topic/78314-gtg-ballarat-ar-vs-pass-vs-vitus-vs-cambridge/


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Energeezer wrote:
To be clear I love my 8008st for all the reasons it is such a popular unit. It just broke down after roughly 20 years of service and is in the shop for repair. During this downtime I have been considering an upgrade. There are many amps that seem to roughly parallel the 8008 in performance. Halo A21, Bryston 4bst, Proceed Hpa2 etc. The list goes on. If I upgrade I want to be sure I dont make a parallel move. Some models which come to mind are the McCormack DNA 225 or possibly 500, older Pass Labs 250x etc.
My sys is a NAD 542 cdp, VTL 2.5 pre and Paradigm Studio 100 v3 with Servo 15 sub.
Does anyone have experience upgrading from the Aragon 8008 or suggestions? Remember this must be an upgrade but my wallet is not bottomless so Krell KSA's, newer Pass Labs, and other super high end stuff are out of the question. I am looking at a price of no more than 2k. I believe upgrading from the 8008 at my price ceiling will be difficult. Maybe impossible. Suggestions?


I had the Aragon 8008BB for a few months. I understand it is supposed to be "one up" from the 8008ST.

The Bryston 4B-SST was an improvement, not in power, but in overall clarity and detail. the 8008BB had more robust bass.

And the McCormack DNA-500 was an improvement over both: the clarity and detail of the Bryston without sacrificing the power and articulate bass of the Aragon.

Anyone with $3K or more to spend on a solid-state amp should audition the DNA-500, if they can, before making a purchasing decision. I sold my Perreaux mono blocs (MRSP $15K) and kept the DNA-500.


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Energeezer wrote:
To be clear I love my 8008st for all the reasons it is such a popular unit. It just broke down after roughly 20 years of service and is in the shop for repair. During this downtime I have been considering an upgrade. There are many amps that seem to roughly parallel the 8008 in performance. Halo A21, Bryston 4bst, Proceed Hpa2 etc. The list goes on. If I upgrade I want to be sure I dont make a parallel move. Some models which come to mind are the McCormack DNA 225 or possibly 500, older Pass Labs 250x etc.
My sys is a NAD 542 cdp, VTL 2.5 pre and Paradigm Studio 100 v3 with Servo 15 sub.
Does anyone have experience upgrading from the Aragon 8008 or suggestions? Remember this must be an upgrade but my wallet is not bottomless so Krell KSA's, newer Pass Labs, and other super high end stuff are out of the question. I am looking at a price of no more than 2k. I believe upgrading from the 8008 at my price ceiling will be difficult. Maybe impossible. Suggestions?


The NAD 542 cdp is the weakest component in your system. The best amp in the world can't improve the signal it is sent. It can only amplify it (warts and all). I would upgrade this with a better DAC before changing the amp.
A good 50 to 100 watt tube amp will rock out with your 91db speakers, and sound way better than your Aragon. Not sure if you can find one for $2K though.


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'n2channel' says: >>Based on your list of previous equipment, I would suggest the Conrad Johnson MF2500A, followed by the Pass Labs X250. I owned the Bryston 7BST. Fine amp(s), but lacks warmth (the sound of the 4BSST will likely be similar). I currently own the CJ MF2500A. It is very warm sounding and involving. Ultimately, your amp choice will depend on your speakers, related equipment and tastes.<< https://forum.audiogon.com/discussions/pass-labs-x250-vs-bryston-4bsst-vs-cj-mf2500a


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MENDEL24 wrote:
A good 50 to 100 watt tube amp will rock out with your 91db speakers, and sound way better than your Aragon. Not sure if you can find one for $2K though.


There are several contenders to choose from currently listed on CAM:

Used:
300B SET WE91A clone $1,500: http://www.canuckaudiomart.com/details/649334681-300b-set-tube-power-amplifier-we91a-clone/
Dynaco Mark VI $1,800: http://www.canuckaudiomart.com/details/649045877-dynaco_mark_vi_monoblocks/

New:
6V6 monoblocks $1,899: http://www.canuckaudiomart.com/details/649286295-new-pentodesix-6v6-mono-blocks-class-a-autobias/
Tsakiridis Artemis $1,995 (free shipping): http://www.canuckaudiomart.com/details/649163423-artemis-power-amp/

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'dewinkle' says: >>Mark Levinson No. 331 and Pass Labs X250 are both great amps<< https://forum.audiogon.com/discussions/pass-x250-vs-mark-levinson-no-331?highlight=pass%2Blevinson

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'jmeyers' says: >>Obviously, your ultimate decision has to factor in the speakers this amp will be driving and the cables employed between amp and speakers. I have had the opportunity to compare both driving B&W Nautilus 802s, and it was no contest--the Mark Levinson sounded very closed down and lifeless, whereas the Krell FPB 200C was a perfect match.<< https://forum.audiogon.com/discussions/krell-vs-levinson-vs-pass-vs-rowland?highlight=pass%2Blevinson

'SOS' says: >>My opinion would be Rowland or Pass but realize you will pay more for Rowland because they start at a higher price to begin with. There have been a few threads that the Rowland amps maybe a touch more musical than the Pass. I would use the term a touch more delicate and because of that I personally find that with the tube preamps that I have in house that the Pass is a better match than the Rowland. << https://forum.audiogon.com/discussions/krell-vs-levinson-vs-pass-vs-rowland?highlight=pass%2Blevinson


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