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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 5:10 pm 
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Gosh those Primares are nice, well-reviewed too. Might have to take a closer look at that option.

Yeah the Rega Elex-R is well reviewed and a good option but not many on the market, the only one currently is from a seller with no feedback.

Looks like I can potentially get a really good deal on an NAD C388, Cambridge CXA80 or possibly Azur 851A brand new with warranty, how would those compare to the Yamaha?


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Looks like I can potentially get a really good deal on an NAD C388, Cambridge CXA80 or possibly Azur 851A brand new with warranty, how would those compare to the Yamaha?

According to https://www.whathifi.com/cambridge-audio/cxa80/review the Camcridge CXA80 is not so agile and subtle with dynamics, compared to Arcam A19 that received all 5 stars in https://www.whathifi.com/arcam/fmj-a19/review

If you want a Brit amp you should consider the new Rega Brio 2017 https://www.bestbuy.ca/en-ca/product/rega-rega-brio-integrated-amplifier-2017-model-brio/10589292.aspx that received all 5 stars and became 2017 award winner in https://www.whathifi.com/rega/brio/review ---> https://www.canuckaudiomart.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=47061

The NAD C388 is comparable to C375BEE, just that the C375BEE is said to have a warmer sound while the C388 is more neutral or colder sounding. According to 'Rodney Toady' from http://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/cambridge-audio-azur-851a-integrated-vs-anthem-225-integrated.306640/ the NAD C375BEE easily outperform Cambridge 851A, even the NAD C356BEE easily outperform Cambridge 851A https://www.canuckaudiomart.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=41852

'Williams2' from http://www.avsforum.com/forum/90-receivers-amps-processors/2714505-nad-c375bee-c388.html says the NAD C375BEE slightly beats the C388 in power output and lower distortion.

'comsysman' from http://www.avsforum.com/forum/90-receivers-amps-processors/2714505-nad-c375bee-c388.html says the NAD C375BEE is a far better sounding amp than the C388 !

Tranlsated review of NAD C388 http://lydogbillede.dk/test/nad-c388/
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The immediate impression was a NAD C388 amplifier with a somewhat colder sound or perhaps closer to neutral sound than many classic NAD amplifiers. And this impression did not change in the hours after break-in.

We started playing wireless music via Bluetooth (from Tidal HiFi, streamed from mobile with aptX). The convenience can not be fingered. Wireless sound has come to stay, also to the facility in the "nice living room". And that sounds okay. But the difference between CD quality and Bluetooth / aptX's "almost CD quality" is obvious. It's something you can get away with on a poorer audio gears, but not here.

With a CD player as the signal source and optical connection, there is a different life and air in the soundstage. The NAD C388 reproduces without favoring any tones at the expense of others. Words like "warm", "round" or for that matter "cold" do not fit in here. The sound is on the other hand "open" and "light".

With 2 x 150 W available and promise far greater effects in the music's peaks, we're up at the heavy end of the amplifier market, where you can choose its speakers without being worry about the speaker's efficiency. The NAD C388 drives them without signs of stress and without losing the fine details or controls of the bass units when played at high volumes. Weight in the sound is no problem. But not entirely the same powerfulness as the twice-expensive Hegel H160. With its cool overview, the C388 reminds, for example, of NuPrime IDA-16, but even gives a touch more openness and airiness.

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The NAD C388 is powerful enough to satisfy most of the needs for roughness and versatility to be used in a wide range of applications. Especially if you expand with MDC modules. Some will miss the "warm" reproduction the classic NAD models offer while others will enjoy the more colderness of the music playing style. In any case, we are dealing with a full-end digital amplifier at the heavy end, but at a very advantageous price. If you can come across the downward snobbing design, it's hard to find an integrated stereo amplifier that gives just as much value for money. You probably need to pick up a Rotel RA-1592, which costs almost DKK 20,000, or a Hegel H160 to find a similar combination of finesse and raw strength.

Hmm, What Hi*Fi's review of the NAD C368 says "warm" full bodied sound, but however lacks get-up-and-go in the music playing style https://www.whathifi.com/nad/c-368/review

'DrZhivago' from http://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/marantz-pm8005-or-yamaha-a-s801-a-s701.719103/ says the Marantz PM8005 is much better than Yamaha A-S801 and A-S701

Some says the NAD C375BEE is more juicy than Marantz PM8005 http://audiokarma.org/forums/index.php?threads/nad-c375bee-or-marantz-pm8005.640731/

I suspect Cambridge 851A and NAD C388 and C375BEE are better amps than the Yamaha A-S801. If you should choose NAD or Cambridge, you should go for either the NAD C388 or C375BEE.

There is also the Anthem 225 http://www.canuckaudiomart.com/details/649411735-anthem-integrated-225/


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Gosh those Primares are nice, well-reviewed too. Might have to take a closer look at that option.

Yup they are nice and are in another league than the NADs


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Planet of Sound,in my opinion has lost all it’s credibility with me . To suggest that the Yamaha as-801 is a better amplifier than the as-2100 is simply nuts . Read the specs and listen to it playing into the same speakers and tell me that once more.Yikes man!


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http://www.saturdayaudio.com/gear/yamaha-s2000
https://forum.audiogon.com/discussions/anthem-225-vs-yamaha-a-s2000

https://forum.audiogon.com/discussions/yamaha-a-s-1000-2000-how-good
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'junglern' says >>Solid made, great look, no 3D sound, bright forward.
Is hi fi sound is your taste good choice.
but if you are into rega musical sound or even more hi end, look somewhere else.
I sold them I missed the look and construction not the sound.
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Another good Brit amp option, 'James_W' suggested Exposure 3010s2, there is currently one for sale on http://marche.quebecaudio.com/occasions/index.php/annonces/exposure-3010s2/ , it's a good idea to contact the seller for shipping options. The Exposure 3010s2 became the Brit group test winner beating Naim Nait XS2, Rega Elicit-R https://www.whathifi.com/forum/hi-fi/exposure-3010s2-won-hifi-news-latest-supertest

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Planet of Sound,in my opinion has lost all it’s credibility with me . To suggest that the Yamaha as-801 is a better amplifier than the as-2100 is simply nuts . Read the specs and listen to it playing into the same speakers and tell me that once more.Yikes man!

they don't list Yamaha as a brand they carry. Wonder if the same statement would be made if they did?
The comment did receive support but it didn't state whether that conclusion was the result of data analysis or a proper listening test as described in the signature.
I had the S801 home for a few days for audition and it is likely the best value position in their line up, but I purchased an A-S2100 instead and i am too frugal to drop the extra 2K on just meters.


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The 801 is IMHO the best in the Yamaha lineup. If you have fairly easy impedance speakers, it's actually more dynamic than the higher models and less "syrupy". You might simply look for a better speaker... your investment will pay off exponentially compared to moving from a good amp to a slightly gooder amp.



I was looking at interior shots of the 801, and quickly saw a lot of high quality parts and an organization of circuitry that was coming from a company who has had decades to perfect their art as much as is possible. Sure, I could make it better, but they are working with a price point, and so on. Looking at that, I said to myself, 'this appears to be what will be a good to great sounding integrated, and going to be difficult to beat' (in it's price range).

This also makes it a prime candidate for mods. I'd guess, without looking.... that this is already being done. This chassis will respond beautifully to very inexpensive modifications. $100-300 intelligently spent in this amp, is probably good enough to have it take on amps 2-3 times it's price. The same can be said of other given amps, in some degree or another, so it is not specifically possible to say the 801 is a mod capable champ of the ages or whatnot. It is one among many amps. Gotta be evenhanded....no such thing as a perfect answer.

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Thanks ELOS that's awesome info, and thanks everyone who has commented.

At the moment I'm most seriously eyeing up these potential integrated amps, I've eliminated NAD due to reliability concerns:

Marantz Reference Series PM-15S2 (90w into 8ohm/140w into 4ohm)

Micromega AS-400 (200w into 8 ohm/400w into 4ohm) - apparently this is a big step-up from the Primare I32.

Luxman L-505u if I can find a half decent deal on one (100w into 8ohm/140w into 4ohm)

Arcam A39 (20w in Class A - 120w into 8ohm/240w into 4ohm)

That Anthem 225 also looks like a good candidate based on specs and reviews, don't mind the simple aesthetic either. That Yamaha A-S2000 could be good, too.

Any stand-outs for overall musicality, warmth and ensuring I have enough horsepower to upgrade to basically any sanely-priced serious speaker in the future? I've had my eye on Usher BE-718's for a while so those may be next, they seem hard to beat anywhere near their price point with big diminishing returns past that.


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Just wanted to say thanks to everyone for your feedback, thanks to ELOS for pointing it out I'm going with the Yamaha A-S2000. As good as my A-S801 is and knowing the big upgrade going to the A-2000 I'm expecting it to be as special as all of the reviews say. Many compare it to Accuphase gear and prefer it to the more costly Luxman L-505u I mentioned earlier. Excited to say the least :).

This should give me the opportunity to upgrade speakers in the future as well since it'll drive pretty much anything I'd want to pair it with.


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'Lashing' from http://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/opinions-on-abdication-to-a-yamaha-a-s2000.375625/page-2 says that space and depth in the soundstage are strong point of the Yam A-S2000 , very clean, great depth ... you hear everything.

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'Lashing' from http://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/i-heard-yamaha-a-s2100-wow.484875/ says his Yam A-S2100 is only slightly better than A-S2000, and actually regret he sold his A-S2000

'Yamahaha' from http://audiokarma.org/forums/index.php?threads/picking-up-my-a-s2100-this-weekend-currently-using-a-s2000.688220/ confirm that the A-S2100 doesn't entirely blow away the A-S2000

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Micromega IA-400 http://www.usaudiomart.com/details/649408296-micromega-ia400-integrated-amplifier-in-pristine-condition/

https://www.techradar.com/reviews/audio-visual/hi-fi-and-audio/amplifiers/micromega-as-400-977766/review
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What first grabbed us about this amplifier is its power, the result lives up to the spec in many respects. It's got a powerful, but smooth-edged grip that controls the bass in a muscular fashion; it makes up for the lack of balanced socketry and heavy machining the moment you put something with a bit of welly in the player.The immediacy and image precision with a pair of ADN speakers is nothing short of gripping; this is a speaker that likes power.
At this point we stuck a Primare i32 into the system to see if the price difference makes sonic sense. It does: the Micromega is considerably better at revealing space, the acoustic of the recording, not to mention its dynamics and timing. There really isn't any contest; you clearly get more for your money.

http://www.theabsolutesound.com/articles/micromega-as-400-integrated-amplifierwireless-dac-tas-222-2/
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I evaluated the sound of the AS-400 on two levels: as a traditional integrated amplifier from a CD source and in wireless mode. With compact disc, right out of the block the AS-400 had a powerful sense of midrange presence and stability, lively dynamics, and a pleasingly propulsive energy. For me, these attributes created a resolution of vocal nuances that instantly made this amp a top contender in its segment. Whether I was listening to the darkly sensuous styling of Shelby Lynne singing “How Can I Be Sure” from Just A Little Lovin’, or the homespun sweetness of James Taylor’s “If I Keep My Heart Out of Sight” from JT, or Marc Cohn’s throaty cover of “The Only Living Boy In New York” from Listening Room, the AS-400 never failed to uncover the subtlest micro-information about vocal inflection and interpretation. Tonally, the AS-400 was neutral through most octaves with only a slight darkening on top and small losses of air at the frequency extremes. Piano harmonics were rich and full-bodied with a sweetness in the treble that I didn’t typically hear with earlier switching amplifiers. There was a reassuring sense of resonance and harmonic weight throughout. The top end was clean with just a hint of coolness and a slightly brittle complexion on leading-edge details. Transient behavior was elsewhere uniformly excellent—clean, concise, and well integrated into the performance.
The Rutter Requiem [Reference Recordings] with the Turtle Creek Chorale is pivotal for my listening evaluations, and the AS-400 didn’t disappoint. The vast assembly of pipe organ, choristers, and strings was anchored firmly to the soundstage and there was little to no smearing among adjacent instrumental or vocal images—which is no small accomplishment. Lateral soundstage presentation was excellent, as well. Only at the frequency extremes did the AS-400 lose a little ground. The Chorale’s upper reaches were just a shade dry and constricted. And the full dimensions of the cavernous acoustic and stage of Meyerson Center were just not as faithfully replicated as I’ve heard with other gear. During Vaughan Williams’ Antartica the landscape of symphonic images lacked the sense of near-topographical relief that defines the layering of string sections, and the ability to reproduce the corners and boundaries of the venue, as well as the sensation of ceiling height and of the backwall upstage behind the percussion musicians.
Bass control was excellent, something I’ve come to expect from Class D power—the rolling thunder of tympani during Copland’s Fanfare being a prime example, the steady kick of the bass drum during Steve Winwood’s “Higher Love” being another. The Wilson Sophia 3, on the other hand, is a speaker that demands an awful lot from an amplifier. In most instances the Micromega was a model of unflappable consistency and the Sophia sounded fabulous. But if concert-level rock ’n’ roll is your thing, then you’ll find the AS-400 bottom octaves a little soft.
That’s not to say the character of the AirStream was identical. As I listened to solo piano and the acoustic space that enveloped it, the sound via wireless was actually a little more weighty, as if the midrange had a slightly thicker waistline. The top end was a bit sweeter and more harmonically complex—something I never would have predicted. Moreover, the sound was more coherent, as though each piano note was more clearly defined. Likewise, during singer Jen Chapin’s cover of “Renewable” her sibilance range was more finely textured and cleanly aligned with her voice’s body.
Only in the lowest register did the CD source narrowly edge out the AirStream. For example, when pianist Evgeny Kissin comes down hard on the keyboard, the instrument was a bit more explosive in the dynamic sense, the soundboard resonance suggesting a little more body and bloom. To tell the truth no one was more surprised than I was when I kept reaching for my iPad rather than the disc player’s remote control. I kept thinking to myself while gleefully scrolling through my iTunes playlists that I could really get used to this. (Tip: If you’re running a Mac make sure the format setting in iTune’s MIDI setup matches the sampling frequency you’re streaming—most likely 44.1kHz/16-bit. I speak from experience when I say that an incorrect setting significantly degrades the wireless sound quality.)

https://www.stereophile.com/content/micromega-400-da-integrated-amplifier
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So I was innocent of conscious prejudice when I listened to this elegant cipher of a box and wrote, in my notes: "Dynamic, dramatic, and almost relentlessly exciting with some recordings. Imbued pianos with almost too much dynamism for the room—too much being very good!—but lacked some 'purr' in the die-away. Basically fine and fun. Wish it had a little more color and spatial depth."

https://www.stereophile.com/content/micromega-400-da-integrated-amplifier-page-2
The first time I fired up my iPod Touch with the AS-400, I was not only impressed: I was surprised. That first number was "Afro Blue," from Phillips, Grier & Flinner's Looking Back (from CD, Compass 4342): a jazzy acoustic instrumental that opens with a string-bass improvisation by Todd Phillips. The instruments had most of the sound they should have, lacking only a little color. The ensemble had the scale and presence they should have. And the record had the fun it should have. I was pretty much sold.
Then I switched to the same music file, streamed from my iMac, and heard even better sound: slightly clearer, and with a more natural sense of flow. In fact, as the days progressed, there continued to be audible differences between the sounds of music files streamed from my iMac and (presumably) identical files streamed from my iPod—but those differences were often slight and hard to pin down, seeming almost to vary from one selection to another. (I used only 44.1kHz AIFF files for these comparisons.) Even after compensating for the different output levels of the two devices, music streamed to the Micromega from the iMac generally had greater scale and more apparent channel separation. Music streamed from the iPod tended to be sonically a bit grayer and musically a bit fussier, with less certain momentum and flow. But the latter wasn't nearly enough to impede my enjoyment or ability to respond to the music. I recall in particular one dark, rainy morning in early April when I streamed the Byrds' "Here Without You" from my iPod to the AS-400, and the sound and music were utterly enchanting.
Driven by whichever music-file source, the sound of the Micromega AirStream module didn't match that of the best (Ayre and Wavelength) USB D/A converters I've heard so far, nor that of the Linn Majik DS-I at its own best (with hi-rez files). Those alternatives all made music sound a little more present and colorful than did the AS-400: a little more flesh and blood. But it wasn't far enough from the mark to disappoint, especially in light of both the AS-400's price and its viability as a one-box, just-add-speakers solution.
Auditioned as an integrated amplifier, and setting aside for a moment its digital source capabilities, the AS-400 was enjoyable but not entirely to my taste, especially with line-level sources. On the plus side, the AS-400's ability to retrieve extremely subtle detail was nothing short of astounding.
On the down side, the Micromega amp was spatially a bit flat—except for the most prominent lead vocals and solo instruments, few sounds stood proud of the mix—with insufficient timbral color compared with my reference amps, and a very slight trace of artificial texture in the trebles.

Conclusion
The AS-400 didn't reach state-of-the-art heights in my system, as either an amp or a digital source—yet it was consistently engaging, musically and sonically.


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Just wanted to say thanks to everyone for your feedback, thanks to ELOS for pointing it out I'm going with the Yamaha A-S2000. As good as my A-S801 is and knowing the big upgrade going to the A-2000 I'm expecting it to be as special as all of the reviews say. Many compare it to Accuphase gear and prefer it to the more costly Luxman L-505u I mentioned earlier. Excited to say the least :).

This should give me the opportunity to upgrade speakers in the future as well since it'll drive pretty much anything I'd want to pair it with.

The pleasure is all mine :D Look forward to your feedback on your impression of that Yam A-S2000 when the time comes

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Any stand-outs for overall musicality, warmth and ensuring I have enough horsepower to upgrade to basically any sanely-priced serious speaker in the future? I've had my eye on Usher BE-718's for a while so those may be next, they seem hard to beat anywhere near their price point with big diminishing returns past that.

Yeah, those Usher BE-718's seems praised well. With a senisitivity of 87 dB, the Yam A-S2000 should drive them well. Those speakers however are suspected that the sensitivity is overstated, in practice somewhere below 85dB http://www.soundstage.com/revequip/usheraudio_be718.htm

https://www.whathifi.com/forum/hi-fi/harbeth-c7es3-vs-usher-be-718
https://forum.audiogon.com/discussions/proac-response-d-two-vs-usher-be-718
https://forum.audiogon.com/discussions/integrated-amp-for-usher-be-718
https://forum.audiogon.com/discussions/under-1500-solid-state-amp-for-usher-be-718

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According to https://forum.audiogon.com/discussions/usher-718be-or-dynaudio-s1-4 Dynaudio S1.4 and Usher BE-718's seems to be at the top in that particular thread in Audiogon, and 'audiooracle' says it comes down to personal taste. I've never heard the Usher's so I can't speak for Usher, but Dynaudio are the most 'alive' sounding speakers i've listened to so far. If you have the opportunity you should give Usher, Totem, Dali, Audiovector, Dynaudio, Raidho, and other comparable speakers a listen.

Totem Model 1 and Dynaudio Confidence C1 are some of the few standmount models that produces the strongest bass on the market http://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/standmount-speakers-with-good-bass.372317/

https://www.stereophile.com/content/totem-acoustic-model-1-loudspeaker-larry-greenhill-april-2003
https://www.whathifi.com/dynaudio/confidence-c1/review
https://www.whathifi.com/tannoy/definition-dc8/review
https://www.canuckaudiomart.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=45627&start=15

According to 'Mofojo', Dynaudio Confidence C1 slightly beats Usher BE-718 http://www.audioreview.com/product/speakers/bookshelf-speakers/usher/be-718-aka-the-tiny-dancer.html

According to reviewer Wes Philips from Stereophile, Usher BE-718 reminds him most of the Dynaudio Confidence C1, like the Usher, the Dynaudio has uncommonly deep bass for a smallish two-way design, the two were also similar in needing to be bossed around by a powerful amp, the Ushers seeming to need a touch more Welly, the sonic resemblance was remarkable, the Confidence C1 really is remarkable—but at half its price, the Be-718 came eerily close, the C1 Dyns delivered more bottom-end extension—or, at least, more easily heard detail—but also had an ever-so-slightly more forward top end, the Be-718 had an admirably relaxed top end while surrendering not one whit of detail, Kirk's Bright Moments was dynamically impressive through both speakers, though believed heard a bit more of the Keystone Korner's acoustic through the Dynaudios, specifically the flex of the stage's floor under Robert Shy's trapset, just a smidge more, however, both speakers did a magnificent job of conjuring the thunderous power of the full-tilt-boogie onslaught of Kirk's Vibration Society, however, on the other hand, Kirk's stritch sounded less aggressive through the Usher—not, hasten to add, less alive, simply less strident, with Kirk's tenor saxophone, however, noticed a bit of hardness in the Be-718's portrayal of the upper midrange—possibly a slight wrinkle in the crossover's handoff to the tweeter at 2kHz?, "Beneath Still Waters," from Emmylou Harris's Blue Kentucky Girl (CD, Reprise 3318), was perhaps the singer's purest foray into country music prior to her spectacular acoustic triumph Roses in the Snow, when Harris sings "But each and every heart / Must take its turn at misery," her voice soars straight into Patsy Cline territory, but the next lines—"And this time it's me / And I'll cry alone"—are delivered with such purity that they meet Pound's definition of poetry: It is news that stays news, In the review of the Confidence C1s, remarked that those Dyns had an ability to deliver female vocals that was nothing short of magic, still think so—Harris voice sounded so heart breaking again, as she did through the Usher Be-718s, was one speaker better than the other with women's voices? They were close, but give the slight edge to the Confidence C1s, again noting that Harris's transition from chest to head tones seemed smoother and rounder, the Be-718s were just a shade less liquid, wouldn't bet paycheck on the difference between them, both were scary good, and remember, the Ushers are half the price https://www.stereophile.com/content/usher-audio-technology-be-718-loudspeaker-page-2

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 20, 2018 9:42 am 
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edge42 wrote:
Just wanted to say thanks to everyone for your feedback, thanks to ELOS for pointing it out I'm going with the Yamaha A-S2000. As good as my A-S801 is and knowing the big upgrade going to the A-2000 I'm expecting it to be as special as all of the reviews say. Many compare it to Accuphase gear and prefer it to the more costly Luxman L-505u I mentioned earlier. Excited to say the least :).

This should give me the opportunity to upgrade speakers in the future as well since it'll drive pretty much anything I'd want to pair it with.



Since you have the 801, and well, it depends on where you are willing to buy and so on. A direct maybe hour long comparison of the two might be in order. At a brick and mortar store you are willing to buy the 2000 from.

this on line world has spoiled us for pricing but has screwed us on the ability to actually hear an item or sonically compare items.

So we rely upon people's opinions. And that does not really work...it leads to bad decisions more times than we care to remember.

Or do more on-line research.

Or find a fellow audio person who has the 2000..and bring the 801 over to that location. Maybe they are curious as well.

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On the A-S2000 I did a ton of research after ELOS pointed it out for sale here, almost nothing but huge praise stating it hangs with much higher priced integrated amps like Accuphase and Luxman performance-wise, as well I've heard comparisons to $6500 USD McIntosh gear. Build quality is exemplary on these units, even the A-S801 is very good, and the A-S2000 weighs 50lb - for such a small integrated that is heavy (vs 26lb for the A-S801 which is no light weight itself).

I will compare to the A-S801 directly when I get it as I have no way to compare directly beforehand. These new Yamaha's are excellent value for money though so I feel confident stepping up the line.

The Ushers BE-718's as well seem insanely good value for money and the build quality is pretty much second to none, not sure if there is a better rated/better value speaker out there available around $1,500-$2,000 but I will certainly keep an open mind to others.


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'Lashing' from http://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/yamaha-a-s2000-integrated-amplifier-any-opinions-have-one-on-home-demo-coming.215685/page-4 says that the Yam A-S2000 had no issues driving the C1 Dyns, so that Yam beast should have no issue to drive the Usher BE-718's


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edge42 wrote:
On the A-S2000 I did a ton of research after ELOS pointed it out for sale here, almost nothing but huge praise stating it hangs with much higher priced integrated amps like Accuphase and Luxman performance-wise, as well I've heard comparisons to $6500 USD McIntosh gear. Build quality is exemplary on these units, even the A-S801 is very good, and the A-S2000 weighs 50lb - for such a small integrated that is heavy (vs 26lb for the A-S801 which is no light weight itself).

I will compare to the A-S801 directly when I get it as I have no way to compare directly beforehand. These new Yamaha's are excellent value for money though so I feel confident stepping up the line.

The Ushers BE-718's as well seem insanely good value for money and the build quality is pretty much second to none, not sure if there is a better rated/better value speaker out there available around $1,500-$2,000 but I will certainly keep an open mind to others.



Having owned the 2000 it's anything but small.
The build is impressive.
However, growing up and burning thru a few from the ca line
The as2000 was a letdown.
The low voltage xlr's really irked me...

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I will compare to the A-S801 directly when I get it as I have no way to compare directly beforehand. These new Yamaha's are excellent value for money though so I feel confident stepping up the line.

Just a note of caution when you do said comparison. In order to be truly accurate, of any possible differences between the two amps, you MUST match (to within 0.1 dB) the levels of the amps you are comparing which will require some work and effort on your part.

If you wish instructions on how to do this, shoot me a PM and I should be able to assist you in doing so.

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