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 Post subject: Re: EVERYTHING WILL INCREASE! HST TAX GRAB
PostPosted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 11:31 am 
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All in all though the HST is better than the PST (it replaces) as it taxes services and stops interbusiness tax so helping Ontario companies compete against offshore. A lower rate would have been nice like when it was brought into Quebec. But Ontario is a basket case so not likely to happen.


exactly....not to mention it eliminates "tax on tax" situations that occur now without most people even being aware of it.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 11:34 am 
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Tolls for new roads and bridges that were said to be time specific, never go away as well!
There, my little rant is done and my blood pressure is back down!


The tolls on the Coquihalla went away. I quite enjoy driving through and seeing new pavement where the tolls booth's USED to be and are now long gone ! I have saved at least $ 240 since the tolls were shut down and will be saving another $ 20 next week !

I stand corrected on the Coquihalla hwy situation.
But there are others that never seem to go away!
$20 savings a week is a very good thing! :D
More money for gear!!!!! :mrgreen:


Exactly....the money I have saved on tolls will be going towards my vintage Sansui AU integrated that is in need of a good service...I will be dropping that off
while down in the lower mainland and also hope to get over to Soundhounds (finally) as well. This time I will not make the mistake of going to Soundhounds on a Monday when they are closed. DOh !


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 4:58 pm 
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....not to mention it eliminates "tax on tax" situations that occur now without most people even being aware of it.
That's because the taxes are buried in the price - like at the gas pumps.

This idea is being considered for everything when the HST comes into effect.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 6:15 am 
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From a business perspective I am welcoming the HST, as far as I am concerned it cannot come soon enough.


From a business perspective, the costs of all of my products and services will increase :x


How so ? What kind of business do you have ?


Service business. All consultants only charge GST for their services, now all services will now have the PST added. I hope I'm wrong :?:


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 9:04 am 
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From a business perspective, the costs of all of my products and services will increase :x


How so ? What kind of business do you have ?


Service business. All consultants only charge GST for their services, now all services will now have the PST added. I hope I'm wrong :?:



But if you are a business then you will not be paying the PST (once it becomes the HST) in other words if your business uses consultants any HST they charge your business for their services you simply deduct that HST you have paid from the HST you have collected from your customers thus the HST does not increase your costs. In my case the HST it will actually lower my operating cost significantly.

Conversely if you are a consultant to a business they will not ultimately be paying HST on your services as they get that money back so really there is no net difference.


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okanaudio wrote:

But if you are a business then you will not be paying the PST (once it becomes the HST) in other words if your business uses consultants any HST they charge your business for their services you simply deduct that HST you have paid from the HST you have collected from your customers thus the HST does not increase your costs. In my case the HST it will actually lower my operating cost significantly.

Conversely if you are a consultant to a business they will not ultimately be paying HST on your services as they get that money back so really there is no net difference.


I don't care about paying PST, it's charging my clients an additional TAX that I have BIG problem with. Adding PST (hidden as HST) to the services I provide will increase the costs for all of my Ontario clients - which is the large majority.


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 5:57 pm 
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A lawyer friend sent this out to his distribution list, just passing on....

Hello all, let me just preface this by saying that I don't usually pass this type of email on, but due to the nature of the subject, and knowing full well the power of social networking to initiate change in our society I felt compelled to share the following.

As a concerned taxpayer I feel it is important to have you all understand what the new HST or 'blendppped tax' means to Ontarians. It amazes me that this announcement has slipped by without a ripple, and yet when I tell people about the impact to them they are all shocked.

The stated purpose is to blend the GST and the PST into one tax. This will cut down the paperwork burden for Ontario businesses and, in theory, lessen staff by merging both departments. This could be a noble attempt to cut costs. There is just one problem. Rather than just blending the products and services that now charge both taxes, the provincial government has decided that it will apply this new tax to almost all goods and services that you do not pay PST on now!

You are about to become the victim of the largest tax hike in our history. How will this affect you? Let?s start with just a few things that are to be charged the extra 8% and see if it will affect you or your family.

Gasoline
Home heating fuel
Water
Hydro
Used cars
Government and city services
Lawyer's Fees
Real Estate Commissions
Accountant's Fees


Any service you now use for your home or business such as repairs, other professional services not now exigile, construction materials etc. These are just a few.

See this article referenced below about how the $1,000.00 they are offering will not even cover ½ of the increased cost to the average family. This tax hits Ontarians hard, but ESPECIALLY the low income ones! They will have an 8% increase in everyday life, and yet you will not see their benefits or
salaries rise.

http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/269917


Actually almost everything currently without PST in your life except children's clothing, prescriptions, diapers, and feminine hygiene products will now cost you 8% more. Oh and here is a kicker. The fuel tax will slide with the increasing cost of that fuel.

Mr. McGuinty and the finance minister are counting on taxpayers to do what they always do when a new tax is added. Nothing! It is very important that you start to research and discuss this with your friends and family. It is not too late to stop this if you are willing to do something as send an email to the premier asking him to either:

a) stop the tax grab all together or

b) do what was originally intended and blend the tax on the products that now have both taxes and not to extend the new tax to everything else. If you just sit there remember you lose the right to complain about taxes ever again. Get UP and start telling everyone about this injustice and we can stop this today.

Don't think your email won't count. Most MP's, if they get 10 emails, consider it a catastrophe!

PASS THIS ON - SHOW YOU OBJECT- IT TAKES ONE MINUTE

Send your objection to:

www.premier.gov.on.ca/feedback/feedback.asp

< http://www.premier.gov.on.ca/feedback/feedback.asp>

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 Post subject: Re: EVERYTHING WILL INCREASE! HST TAX GRAB
PostPosted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 6:00 pm 
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The Tax Poem


At first I thought this was funny...then I realized the awful truth of it.

Be sure to read all the way to the end!


Tax his land,

Tax his bed,

Tax the table

At which he's fed.


Tax his tractor,

Tax his mule,

Teach him taxes

Are the rule.


Tax his work,

Tax his pay,

He works for peanuts

Anyway!




Tax his cow,

Tax his goat,

Tax his pants,

Tax his coat.


Tax his ties,

Tax his shirt,

Tax his work,

Tax his dirt.


Tax his tobacco,

Tax his drink,

Tax him if he

Tries to think.


Tax his cigars,

Tax his beers,

If he cries

Tax his tears.


Tax his car,

Tax his gas,

Find other ways

To tax his ass.


Tax all he has

Then let him know

That you won't be done

Till he has no dough.


When he screams and hollers;

Then tax him some more,

Tax him till

He's good and sore.


Then tax his coffin,

Tax his grave,

Tax the sod in

Which he's laid.


Put these words

Upon his tomb,

'Taxes drove me

to my doom...'


When he's gone,

Do not relax,

Its time to apply

The inheritance tax.


Accounts Receivable Tax

Airline surcharge tax

Airline Fuel Tax

Airport Maintenance Tax

Building Permit Tax

Cigarette Tax

Corporate Income Tax

Death Tax

Dog License Tax

Driving Permit Tax

Excise Taxes

Federal Income Tax

Federal Unemployment (UI)

Fishing License Tax

Food License Tax

Gasoline Tax ( too much per litre)

Gross Receipts Tax

Health Tax

Hunting License Tax

Hydro Tax

Inheritance Tax

Interest Tax

Liquor Tax

Luxury Taxes

Marriage License Tax

Medicare Tax

Mortgage Tax

Personal Income Tax
Poverty Tax

Prescription Drug Tax

Property Tax

Provincial Income Tax

Real Estate Tax

Recreational Vehicle Tax

Retail Sales Tax

Service Charge Tax

School Tax

Telephone Federal Tax

Telephone Federal, Provincial and Local Surcharge Taxes

Telephone Minimum Usage Surcharge Tax

Vehicle License Registration Tax

Vehicle Sales Tax

Water Tax

Watercraft Registration Tax

Well Permit Tax

Workers Compensation Tax


STILL THINK THIS IS FUNNY?


Not one of these taxes existed 100 years ago, & our nation was one of the most prosperous in the world.


We had absolutely no national debt, had a large middleclass, and Mom stayed home to raise the kids.


What in the hell happened? Can you spell 'politicians?'

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 Post subject: Re: EVERYTHING WILL INCREASE! HST TAX GRAB
PostPosted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 7:14 pm 
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Naww, the women went to work, opening up a whole new source of taxable income for the Liberals to pay for multiculturism. That worked out well, eh?


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Another interesting link (and petition):

http://www.unfairtaxgrab.com/home.html


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 9:15 pm 
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Please forward this to as many people as possible. We need to create awareness about this issue because if this goes through , We will be struggling .

Thanks

WE SIMPLY CANNOT AFFORD TO GIVE UP, LET'S ALL KEEP FIGHTING, PLEASE!!!!

ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!!!

http://www.unfairtaxgrab.com/

Dont forget to vote if you disagree!!!!!!! Urge your friends, family and other concerned citizens to sign the petition.

Subject: Ontario's New 13% Harmonized Sales Tax - What It Will Mean To You

Hello. Next summer (2010) the Ontario Government is set to put into force its new harmonized GST/PST sales tax which will apply a 13% sales tax to
everything we purchase.

Things That Were Not Subject To The Current 8% PST Will Be Now Taxed As a result, things that were not previously taxed under the current Ontario Provincial Sales Tax (PST) will be taxed at 8%.

The new 13% tax will therefore apply to things like your electric bill, your gas bill, your water bill, condominium fees, insurance premiums, and every other good and service you purchase. There are almost no exemptions.

The current Ontario PST tax does not apply to services, nor does it apply to the purchase of certain goods. The new 13% tax will therefore extend the old 8% PST tax rate to the purchase of all goods and all services.

The New 13% Tax Will Apply To The Puchase of All New Homes The new harmonized GST/PST will also apply to all purchases of all new homes. If a person were to purchase a new $1 million dollar home in Toronto, they would have to pay roughly $200,000 in taxes as a result of the Ontario land transfer tax, the new city of toronto land transfer tax, and the new harmonized 13% GST/PST.

Think about that and what that would do to real estate values in Toronto. It will cause property values to fall and kill the new home construction industry and the jobs it creates.



And it won't be long before you'll hear our elected representatives telling us that, because of the harm that has been inflicted to the new home construction industry by the new 13% tax, it would be "fair" to extend the new 13% tax to sales of existing homes.

The New 13% Tax Is An Assault On Your Primary Residence Canadians have had two things that they have always been able to count on as being tax free -things that they could use to save money and accumulate wealth. They are your: (a) primary home; and (b) RRSP. That's it.

The extension of the new 13% GST/PST to homes is simply a tax assault by the government on your primary home.. They want to tax your primary home and you will suffer because of it.

Why? Because if a purchaser has to pay almost $200,000 in taxes to buy your $1 million dollar home, the purchaser is going to pay less to you for your
home. The purchaser will reduce the amount he or she is willing to pay to you in order to pay all the taxes.

The New 13% Tax Will Effectively Raise Your Income Taxes Currently, the combined Federal/Ontario income tax rates are roughly 25% on the first
$20,000 of taxable income, 42% on the next $40,000 of taxable income, and 46.5% on each dollar of taxable income over $60,000. On top of that you have to add the "Fair Share Health Tax" of up to $1,000 each of us has to pay.

If the Ontario Government gets away with implementing their new harmonized GST/PST sales tax of 13%, the top effective income tax rates in Ontario will be as follows (since you can't spend any of your tax paid dollars without paying the new harmonized 13% GST/PST tax):

38% on the first $20,000
53% on the next $40,000
59.5% on every dollar over $60,000

On top of that, you have to pay your Ontario Fair Share Health Tax, your city realty taxes, your city garbage fees, your city water fees, your city street parking permit fees, your annual Ontario and new city of toronto vehicle license plate fees, your Ontario land transfer tax, your new city of Toronto land transfer tax, your gasoline taxes, your liquor taxes, your air departure taxes, your entertainment taxes, and so on.

OF ALL THE MONEY YOU WORKED HARD TO EARN, WHAT PERCENTAGE ARE YOU REALLY KEEPING FOR YOUR OWN USE? 25%? 20%? 10%?

ENOUGH IS ENOUGH - FIGHT BACK THIS HAS GOT TO STOP HERE OR WE WILL ALL SOON BE WORKING FULL TIME FOR THE
VARIOUS LEVELS OF GOVERNMENT IN ONTARIO.

YOU CAN ALREADY SEE HOW ARE LIFESTYLES ARE DECLINING BECAUSE OF THE ENORMOUS TAX LOAD WE BEAR.

AS A RESULT, I URGE YOU TO TAKE THIS ISSUE SERIOUSLY AND TO FILL AND AND SIGN THE PETITION AGAINST THE NEW HARMONIZED GST/PST TAX SET OUT BELOW.

I WOULD ALSO ASK YOU TO SEND THIS E-MAIL ON TO OTHERS THAT YOU KNOW AND ASK THEM TO DO THE SAME.

IF WE DON'T WORK TOGETHER ON THIS ISSUE THE NEW HARMONIZED 13% SALES TAX WILL BECOME A REALITY NEXT SUMMER



THANK YOU.



Thousands say "no" to the HST

Dalton McGuinty claims "no one is complaining" about his unfair tax grab. You proved him wrong this week. On Wednesday we sent out a request asking you to send a message to the McGuinty Government about the HST. Almost instantly our email box began to fill. By the end of the day we'd received nearly 2,000 messages.

New Democrat Members of Provincial Parliament did their best to read them into the record in the Legislature, but they simply ran out of time. The good news is: there are more debates to come and we'll be sending you details about how to keep up the fight against this unfair tax grab. In the meantime, you can read a transcript of the debate here.

Together we can stop the HST.

PS - Urge your friends, family and other concerned citizens to sign the
petition at http://www.unfairtaxgrab.com/

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 Post subject: Re: EVERYTHING WILL INCREASE! HST TAX GRAB
PostPosted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 8:12 am 
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This will backfire on the government in a big way! You can't sell this as anything but negative. I for one am buying just about everything I need right now, and I will pretty well stop contributing to the economy other than necessities once this tax hits. Sure, I can't help but buy gas, electricity, etc, but I certainly won't be buying beyond my basic needs until the government sees sense and either removes, or modifies this tax.

If the government thinks this is going to help the economy, they likely didn't do well at school! Folks have limited income, and when they realize all those things now taxed low will be taxed higher, their money is going to run out sooner. Canadians are a little smarter than their rounder Southern friends, and will simply make do with what they have once again killing the retail process in Canada. Folks will spend only what they have, and they will have less! I think the Candadian Government have tunnel vision, and a level of intellect that makes me wonder how the F@ck they even got elected. Actually, I think that makes us all stupid after putting the a$$holes there in the first place.

Everyone pat yourself on the back! We've done it to ourselves, yet again! And because we're Canadian, we're all way to F'ing polite to stand up and say no! We'll bend over, lube up, smile and wait for the next pile drive to push our heads into the wall causing us pain, rememberence and injury, yet we'll just take it one shove after another, because that's what we do best as Canadians. We complain endlessly about our politicians, but we become forgetful moronic idiots at election time, and we put the same turds back in power that just finished pile driving us into the wall.

We are CANADIAN! I'm proud of my country, but I'm not proud of the fact that we whine and ****, yet seem to do very little as a country to show our disdain for what continues to be done to us. Because we seem to be this way, I kind of think we deserve it and are to blame! We're the reason this happens to us over, and over, and over, and.......

If any one of us is going to continue to complain yet do nothing about it, perhaps you/we should just stop now. If you don't like something, try to change it! But, if in typical Canadian fashion we're going to complain and do nothing, let's all just stop whining now.

Or, we can all do something about it. I'm going to send a letter to McGuinty and thank him for being an intellection moron, and I'm going to tell him that he'll get more money from me in his government, but less retail support following since he's taking my money, so I'll be warning him to have the next economic bail-out ready to go in about the next 2-3 years when retail fails at all levels, home sales slump, and people can no longer afford to gas up vehicles that they will stop buying!

Would anyone like to form a Government political party? I'm thinking it could be called "The Fed-Up" Party. Supporting those of us who simply no longer wish to sit and take the abuse. By the way, "Fed-Up" means frustrated and tired, as well as the Fed's time is up! Worst case scenario, you'll get publicity to help share your frustration with the current government and possibly some face time on TV. It may do nothing, but it may do something. Or, the "Provs-hit" for the Province is turning to "$hit, or we're about to hit the province party!

I'm serious guys.....I've had it. It's time to put the current government over a sofa back, lube them up, and tell them what's about to hit them! Who's with me?

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 8:57 am 
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Hula, Ktuuri, and other HST haters,
I couldn't agree with you more. As a USW member, and local executive member we have been trying our damndest to get the word out about this epic screw job.
This is really going to hurt.
Does anyone really think wages etc, will keep up with dramatic increase.
As painful as it will be for those of us that still have a job, think of what it will do to the unfortunate sods at the Ford plant in St. Thomas that will closing and the support jobs that will be lost in its wake.
They have to pay more when they have next to nothing. Will E.I. go up to compensate for the increase?
Didn't think so.


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 9:28 am 
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Mahatma - For clarity, I don't hate this tax for democratic political issues, I hate it because I think we're overtaxed. I know we're apparently taxed at the rate we are because we have a fine life as Canadians. I'm not against tax, after all it helps us live in a country as great as this, however this latest tax is a grab! The government attempting to paint this as anything different implies we're stupid. I've yet to hear once positive sales pitch on this from anyone other than the government.

Sure, it may help reduce the cost of administration for many retailers, but their cut in sales and profit as a result of less people having money to spend will not help them at all. It keeps more government people employed, and will eventually hurt Canadians yet again.

Heck, this may be the first time I'm supporting a typical democratic party position, but I'm just tired of being raked over the coals.

Can anyone really help me understand how this will help the economy? I know it'll put more in the gov't coffers in the short term, but it'll simply take money away from them in the form of other forms of payment. It will increase the tax base in a huge way for those things we'll be paying more taxes on to acquire, but I can only see it cutting their coffers in future based on retail sales, etc.

I'm sure they did the calculations and even though this will kill some aspects of the economy, it must be working to their advantage even in the long run or they would not be doing it. I hope they weren't so short sighted that they didn't look at the social hand outs they'll eventually be delivering as a result.

God our government are a selfish bunch of arrogant pricks! Fire them all, start over and pass the baton/wand over to someone who gets it!

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