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 Post subject: Pure Silver Jumpers
PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2017 2:33 pm 
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Hi folks,

Just curious about your thoughts on something.
If you needed/wanted them, what would you pay for a 12 AWG set [4] of 5N pure silver jumpers terminated with Rhodium banana plugs?
Is that gauge too high? Too low?
Just throw out anything that pops in to your head [related to the questions, that is :P].

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 Post subject: Re: Pure Silver Jumpers
PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2017 2:42 pm 
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OCC silver :?:


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Would it be less than drilling holes into 1 ounce bars of bullion silver?


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 Post subject: Re: Pure Silver Jumpers
PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2017 3:47 pm 
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$10 per jumper, tops.


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Just remember, you can not improve the musical signal with a conductor.

You can decrease the losses with a better conductor.

The length is what will make the difference.

Jumpers...

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If one bought them as an investment in these insecure times I would think of him as a smart one. If one bought them as a way to improve sound I would not think of him as a smart one.


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 Post subject: Re: Pure Silver Jumpers
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Hi,

Without the fancy banana plugs I would pay $25 -30 for a pair of 12 AWG pure silver jumpers that would fit between the RCA female jacks that link separate pre-amp and power amp stages of many fine old integrated amps.

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nrg1275 wrote:
Hi folks,

Just curious about your thoughts on something.
If you needed/wanted them, what would you pay for a 12 AWG set [4] of 5N pure silver jumpers terminated with Rhodium banana plugs?
Is that gauge too high? Too low?
Just throw out anything that pops in to your head [related to the questions, that is :P].

Nawaz Ghani
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If you were going to the expense of pure silver jumpers why add rhodium into the mix? stick with the most highly conductive metals
Silver
Copper
gold

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warhorse wrote:
If you were going to the expense of pure silver jumpers why add rhodium into the mix? stick with the most highly conductive metals
Silver
Copper
gold

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Makes sense. I've had mixed results with silver plating though, whereas Rhodium plating hasn't let me down. There's just something about silver plating [specifically plating] that just seems to miss the mark.

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 Post subject: Re: Pure Silver Jumpers
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for me...I've stuck with Mogami wiring (speakers and interconnects) and full copper connectors

i also have silver plated full copper connectors but haven't used yet to see if that is any different.


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 Post subject: Re: Pure Silver Jumpers
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ngjockey wrote:
Would it be less than drilling holes into 1 ounce bars of bullion silver?


I understand that you're being facetious, but I'm just trying to spit-ball ideas.
I have a 100 meter roll of 5N silver rod, 24 AWG [0.5mm], and it has been independently tested and certified as 100% pure, hence the title of the post.
Jumpers are just one thing I can make [likely the last option, as they would obviously be the shortest cuts], and I'm trying to get some feedback.
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 Post subject: Re: Pure Silver Jumpers
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buybye88 wrote:
Hi,

Without the fancy banana plugs I would pay $25 -30 for a pair of 12 AWG pure silver jumpers that would fit between the RCA female jacks that link separate pre-amp and power amp stages of many fine old integrated amps.

Cheers,
David Neice


That sounds about right. Any thoughts on the gauge?
Forgive my ignorance - I have personally never made or used jumpers [great sales pitch, huh?].

Nawaz

-- 21 Sep 2017 20:54 --

Old Rusty wrote:
$10 per jumper, tops.


Sounds about right depending on the length.
Any thoughts on that, and/or the gauge?

-- 21 Sep 2017 20:58 --

nrg1275 wrote:
There's just something about silver plating [specifically plating] that just seems to miss the mark.


...as for the cost of pure silver plugs... ummm, no thanks!

-- 21 Sep 2017 21:06 --

AudiOhm wrote:
Just remember, you can not improve the musical signal with a conductor.

You can decrease the losses with a better conductor.


My thoughts exactly - that' basically the entire thought process behind 'The .1'.

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 Post subject: Re: Pure Silver Jumpers
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I would pay something in the ballpark of figures already mentioned for a pair of pure silver jumpers to use between the pre outs and main ins of a NAD C320BEE or an HK930.

That's a really short piece of wire, maybe 2.5" all in, using RCA connector pins. I would much prefer OCC silver wire if it were available.


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 Post subject: Re: Pure Silver Jumpers
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It would require 15x 24 AWG wires to effectively achieve a 12 AWG jumper (assuming my math is correct). Is your spool of 24 AWG wire bare or insulated? If the later, depending on how thick and stiff that insulation is, not sure how flexible these jumpers would be. I could be over analysing this but it is something to consider.

Also, given the comments made in regards to cost, would this project be worth your time – especially if you wish to use a more expensive Rhodium plated connector. To allow the most flexible installation, speaker jumpers are usually Banana on one end and Spade on the other.

I’d also consider warhorse’s comment – Rhodium is a good conductor, but not as good as Silver, Copper or Gold. The benefits of Rhodium is it’s durability over the other metals, but that comes at a cost. A pair of Cardas Rhodium spades are $30, a pair of Rhodium banana’s are roughly the same (thats cheap for Rhodium!) – combined you are now over what the average person is willing to spend on a pair of speaker jumpers and you have yet to factor in your other materials and labor.


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 Post subject: Re: Pure Silver Jumpers
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nrg1275 wrote:
Hi folks,

Just curious about your thoughts on something.
If you needed/wanted them, what would you pay for a 12 AWG set [4] of 5N pure silver jumpers terminated with Rhodium banana plugs?
Is that gauge too high? Too low?
Just throw out anything that pops in to your head [related to the questions, that is :P].

Nawaz Ghani
Owner/Mad Scientist
NRG Custom Cables
"Designed by Math & Science, not marketing"


"We use art to decorate space, we use music to decorate time"


$200.

pj

-- 22 Sep 2017 13:55 --

nrg1275 wrote:
Hi folks,

Just curious about your thoughts on something.
If you needed/wanted them, what would you pay for a 12 AWG set [4] of 5N pure silver jumpers terminated with Rhodium banana plugs?
Is that gauge too high? Too low?
Just throw out anything that pops in to your head [related to the questions, that is :P].

Nawaz Ghani
Owner/Mad Scientist
NRG Custom Cables
"Designed by Math & Science, not marketing"


"We use art to decorate space, we use music to decorate time"



#12 too much -#16 plenty capable -10-amps to be precise. In fact, offer up #18 gauge for this purpose with commensurate drop in price -and perhaps standard copper/gold connectors.

pj


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