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PostPosted: Wed Mar 15, 2017 8:34 am 
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For me "the beginning of the end" was when Ross Porter left.


Agreed, I miss Ross Porter.

On the CBC in general, it sucks beyond belief. They should shut it down immediate and give us our tax dollars back.


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Most of what the government does is fck'd.
True that; if they kept their paws off the CBC we'd have truly world class programming like the BBC. As it is, the CBC makes do with the scraps of funding the gov't gives them. Goes to show what can happen when the public interest (as opposed to private interests) is put first.

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For me "the beginning of the end" was when Ross Porter left.


Agreed, I miss Ross Porter.

On the CBC in general, it sucks beyond belief. They should shut it down immediate and give us our tax dollars back.


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Be careful what you wish for. They just might kill it some day, but you'd be kidding yourself if you think you're going to see one penny from it.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 15, 2017 8:46 am 
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CBC....although changed, CBC still is a national treasure.
the absence of most commercialised dreck has been appreciated for about 50 years.

yes, i miss Danny F, Clive G, Jurgen G, Peter T, Ross P, Augusta L, David W, Alan M, and many more that escape the synapses at this moment....

However, there are many fine knowledgeable and wonderful hosts currently on air.
CBC, in my opinion, is one of the few worthy and intelligent listens out there.
Introduction to many superb listens in a wide swath of genres is delightful and refreshing.


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I love CBC Radio. Wake up to it every morning with The Chilluns' & get 'em ready for school. And never once have we been subjected to a Nickleback song. That's worth a few tax dollars right there...
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I think you miss the big picture, and that is dangerous. In a capitalist system, you have to remove certain things off the table, or you face the abyss. Public broadcasting is as important as public health care, public education and public police/fire.


I'm not sure how public broadcasting is on the same level as the other services mentioned. I think all these services and any service that takes public money needs to be reviewed to ensure the public gets value for their money and whether it is worth it to saddle future generations with more and more debt.

Obviously it is important that a few people get to listen to jazz on the CBC. I think the internet is important and should be accessible to all - and then through the internet people can get their jazz. CBC radio could operate efficiently out of someone's basement. Artist don't need the helping hand they used to because they can put up a YouTube video like anyone else.

There are a lot of dinosaur institutions that resist progress and the winds of change simply because they are sucking at the teat of the taxpayer. At some point when you are broke, you have to cut and/or modify what is non essential and ask 'how are we going to pay for this?'. And it isn't like anyone will have to do without their jazz because it isn't gone, it just is delivered a little differently. And instead of listening to one station in a small town, you can pick from thousands all over the world.


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The beginning of the end of 'anything' is as soon as it is started...

Some of my buddies, (like myself - but I have a FM Tuner) are Squeezebox users with no more Tuners, a while back the streams changed so they could no longer receive the CBC. But the condo squeezebox still could deliver, so I knew it was possible. And the new stream URL's do exist!

http://www.cbc.ca/radio/includes/streams.html#radio2

Usually only listen to the CBC (R1 or 2, depending) in the car, or if in Toronto, then it's JAZZFM 91.1

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I think you miss the big picture, and that is dangerous. In a capitalist system, you have to remove certain things off the table, or you face the abyss. Public broadcasting is as important as public health care, public education and public police/fire.


I'm not sure how public broadcasting is on the same level as the other services mentioned. I think all these services and any service that takes public money needs to be reviewed to ensure the public gets value for their money and whether it is worth it to saddle future generations with more and more debt.

Obviously it is important that a few people get to listen to jazz on the CBC. I think the internet is important and should be accessible to all - and then through the internet people can get their jazz. CBC radio could operate efficiently out of someone's basement. Artist don't need the helping hand they used to because they can put up a YouTube video like anyone else.

There are a lot of dinosaur institutions that resist progress and the winds of change simply because they are sucking at the teat of the taxpayer. At some point when you are broke, you have to cut and/or modify what is non essential and ask 'how are we going to pay for this?'. And it isn't like anyone will have to do without their jazz because it isn't gone, it just is delivered a little differently. And instead of listening to one station in a small town, you can pick from thousands all over the world.



It's not free however and it is probably not ever going to be free, or universally available, because too many make too much wealth off it. It's a cash cow for wire providers. CBC broadcasts from remote places all over the country and is accessible over the air to a huge majority of the population. Radio Tuners made 50 years ago are still picking up and replaying radio broadcasts. How many people do you know who own a laptop pc that is older than 5 years and still functioning?

And what funds Jazz fm? and Radioparadise?

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Today unfortunately, many senior staff at the CBC clearly don't understand the intended purpose of the CBC
and the CBC is now blatantly being used for political purposes.
This is having a fragmenting effect - rather than unifying Canadian culture.

The CBC needs to get back to its original purpose of representing the cultural interests of Canadians.
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Can you provide examples of blatant political purposes?

Certain media (eg. G&M, National Post, Sun) have an editorial slant, but I would not characterize them as being blatantly political. We need more quality media, not newspaper and TV cutbacks. There are so many good programs that are only available on CBC (eg. Vinyl Tap, This is My Music. Quirks & Quarks, The House, Q).

I'm not sure how that comment was attached to my name and having said that, I do not disagree with statement. Specific examples, at this time and on this thread (audio), no I will not. But I do drive my wife and a group of friends nuts, I'm sure and in most cases, when I do see the inconsistencies of the reporting. Keep in mind, I don't believe the CBC is all bad, but I don't like the direction it's been heading for a number of years. I'm returning to listening to music, thanks.


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"I think you miss the big picture, and that is dangerous. In a capitalist system, you have to remove certain things off the table, or you face the abyss. Public broadcasting is as important as public health care, public education and public police/fire."

Interesting that you mention 3 other poorly managed, over-funded public money-sinkholes that are sucking the life out of our economy and driving taxpayers into near poverty.

Another poster above even blamed Harper! Unbelievable ignorance. The CBC is a bloated, inefficient, anachronistic, left leaning dinosaur based on a business model from another era.


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Mike Smith wrote:
"I think you miss the big picture, and that is dangerous. In a capitalist system, you have to remove certain things off the table, or you face the abyss. Public broadcasting is as important as public health care, public education and public police/fire."

Interesting that you mention 3 other poorly managed, over-funded public money-sinkholes that are sucking the life out of our economy and driving taxpayers into near poverty.

Another poster above even blamed Harper! Unbelievable ignorance. The CBC is a bloated, inefficient, anachronistic, left leaning dinosaur based on a business model from another era.



You should run for PM and fix this damned country!

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Time for a moderator to step in and shut this conversation down.

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Mr. Smith, is it possible you are the gentleman from whom I bought a pair of Meadowlark Shearwater Hot Rods some years ago, with delivery by Canada Post ?

Mike Smith wrote:
"I think you miss the big picture, and that is dangerous. In a capitalist system, you have to remove certain things off the table, or you face the abyss. Public broadcasting is as important as public health care, public education and public police/fire."

Interesting that you mention 3 other poorly managed, over-funded public money-sinkholes that are sucking the life out of our economy and driving taxpayers into near poverty.

Another poster above even blamed Harper! Unbelievable ignorance. The CBC is a bloated, inefficient, anachronistic, left leaning dinosaur based on a business model from another era.


The packages weighed 65 pounds each, and the post person carried them into my place of work, one by one, on his shoulder. That was my first high end speaker purchase. Those Meadowlarks are still in the family, they still give much pleasure. And I am still grateful to you, if you are the Mike Smith in question.

I was able to afford those lovely speakers because I had an increase in salary as acting vice-principal of my public school.

I doubt somehow that you are an educator. But if you are willing, I will be happy, any time, to discuss your contention that the public education system is one of those

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poorly managed, over-funded public money-sinkholes that are sucking the life out of our economy and driving taxpayers into near poverty.


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Time for a moderator to step in and shut this conversation down.


Yes, 'time to shut this conversation down'. Relevant to audio and relevant to the political conversation going on right now in the country regarding CBC radio. And the 'conversation' reflects the diversity of the various opinions on the ground of those in the country regarding the CBC. The 'conversation' explores what options might be available to those if they lose certain cherished programming or how such programming may be saved by switching to less costly formats. Sounds like a good conversation.


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I find the mix on CBC Radio 2 to be very much to my tastes and listen to it a lot. I've always been a fan of CBC radio and have enjoyed it since the late 70's even though there has been many personnel changes.
Perhaps it is different in the big cities where there is more choice but out in my neck of the woods, without the CBC, I would be limited to stations that play either Top 40, the same one hundred songs from the 70's and 80's or C&W. No thanks.


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It's not free however and it is probably not ever going to be free, or universally available, because too many make too much wealth off it. It's a cash cow for wire providers. CBC broadcasts from remote places all over the country and is accessible over the air to a huge majority of the population. Radio Tuners made 50 years ago are still picking up and replaying radio broadcasts.
I'm not a Luddite, but I don't stream when I have a perfectly good FM radio at my disposal, especially if it's playing 'my song'.

Streams are for when there's nothing better on.

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