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PostPosted: Sun May 21, 2017 1:32 pm 
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Moved houses, now have 25x15 audio room which is also living room. Bad news: well made house but rock hard plaster, hardwood floors, lots of light (glass), and stone fire place. Lot of sound bouncing going on. Any thing with reverb smears. Anything with high frequency intensity rings if turned up at all.

Looking for natural, decorative ideas for deadening the room. No geeky panel things. Don't want to ruin the 1940s charm.

Have: Art on walls (looking to augment with heavy material hangings.
Have rug: getting bigger, thicker one
Have curtains: going to line them with heavy thick material
Someone told me heavy leaf plants..ideas?

Other? Would appreciate suggestions. Thanks. DD.


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Can you insulate the floor from the basement? I've also found fiber couch's to be useful inside rooms rather than leather.
Can you draw a layout of the room?

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PostPosted: Sun May 21, 2017 2:06 pm 
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corners--- put something in them, corner shelves, plants, anything.
rugs--- i have a heavy wool rug hanging behind my sweet spot... and another wool rug on floor in front of my chair.
speakers--- decoupling them from the floor / room helps immensely. tuning is critical, inches matter.
lots of tips tricks and techniques out there...experiment and experience.


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PostPosted: Sun May 21, 2017 3:55 pm 
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Hanging wool rugs on a wall is a good idea .... as long as you remember to leave a couple of inches air space between them and the wall. %The worst mistake most people make is trying to keep everything symmetrical and parallel. Absorption is one thing, diffusion is another and combining the 2 in the proper ratio is key is getting great sound.

A floorplan and room layout + a list of what you want to integrate into the decor as well as your equipment list are a good starting point. Getting your wife to participate in the initial design and layout is crucial from the start. Better to have her in lock step with your plans rather than to have her nix the whole thing once you have done all the planning work and have to start all over again. Get the basics nailed down first; then you can sweat the details.


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Wall hangings and foam materials, diffusors, etc... work on 400hz and up.

Half your problem is above that frequency and half your problem is below.

Taming the top end is child's play.

Fixing things below 400hz costs everything and is near impossible.

Just the physics of the situation.

See Bernard at charisma Audio.

tasteful, decorative, and effective.

We do the more serious end of things, commercial, industrial, extreme home, etc. but we deal with the bottom end issues that no one can deal with... where everyone else in the business (even the best known companies) walks away from the given jobs.

Part of the problem is the not wanting to ruin the 1940's charm, as the charm does not agree with the acoustics problem. Something has to bend.

This can be dealt with via custom work, but that costs money.

Most importantly, don't over damp the top end while trying to understand and fix the below 400hz problems.

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Hi Don,

You may want to contact Danny Scott at waveacoustics.com

They offer treatments with pictures oriented on them and there is a large selection of stock photos to choose from.

I have no affiliation, but have contacted him for this exact thing and will be buying some when we move to our new place.

You can PM me if you want his contact info as I don't know if I am allowed to post it here.
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Plants...'large' palm trees. High WAF and fresh air to boot. :)

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Ok, tons of good info: since posting I've learned the difference between sound blocking and sound absorbtion. Plants - that seems like a natural. Heavy wall material but include the spacer. Cloth couches vs leather ... too late on that one - already leather. Bigger Rug in motion. Corners... will try plants suggestion. Attached a layout of my room. Thanks for help so far.
- hard plaster (really hard, bent nails hanging art work)
- lots of glass
- hardwood floor
- stone fire place


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Digital Don wrote:
lots of glass
Glass is the worst. Maybe some sheer window coverings that can be withdrawn.

Some ideas here...

https://www.google.ca/search?q=Maybe+so ... 21&bih=492

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ripblade wrote:
Digital Don wrote:
lots of glass
Glass is the worst. Maybe some sheer window coverings that can be withdrawn.

Some ideas here...

https://www.google.ca/search?q=Maybe+so ... 21&bih=492

Thanks Ripblade..... good cover options.... The 3 doors have german bevelled glass so my wife wants to see them, but if it was retractable that would prob work. saw one i really liked heavy cloth material.


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Digital Don wrote:
ripblade wrote:
Digital Don wrote:
lots of glass
Glass is the worst. Maybe some sheer window coverings that can be withdrawn.

Some ideas here...

https://www.google.ca/search?q=Maybe+so ... 21&bih=492

Thanks Ripblade..... good cover options.... The 3 doors have german bevelled glass so my wife wants to see them, but if it was retractable that would prob work. saw one i really liked heavy cloth material.
All my doors on the main floor have beveled glass...no sheers on them either lol. The more lighter and transparent, the more you'll succeed in getting her approval. Mentioning the need for less dusting might help too. :mrgreen:

You won't get as much attenuation in the mids with light sheers, but the slap echo will go away, mostly.

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Digital Don wrote:
Ok, tons of good info: since posting I've learned the difference between sound blocking and sound absorbtion. Plants - that seems like a natural. Heavy wall material but include the spacer. Cloth couches vs leather ... too late on that one - already leather. Bigger Rug in motion. Corners... will try plants suggestion. Attached a layout of my room. Thanks for help so far.
- hard plaster (really hard, bent nails hanging art work)
- lots of glass
- hardwood floor
- stone fire place


For hanging pictures, you should get a Duzzit or the 3M Command Strip user removable adhesive hooks. No holes and can be removed without a trace. The Duzzit hooks held up a pair of Minimus 7s by their eyelet hooks for at least 7 or 8 years in my old home. As for your stone fireplace, what sort of finish is it? Smooth roundish stones, artificial stone "bricks" or sharp-irregular stones?


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This method works really well if you're handy... link to an Audio Circle thread I started...

Hubble sound panels


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you can always come to my place and listen Don....door is always open :D


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glass is good for bass control. Very nicely lossy.

spaced heavy curtains so they can be moved about for getting to the right level of spot reflection control.

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