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PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2015 10:09 am 
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I living in a small apartment with thin walls and poor acoustics. I want to improve my listening experience.

The room is a narrow rectangular shaped with wall to wall carpet and drywalled. I am think what is happening to the sound is it bounces off the walls.

I am looking for some resources or suggestions on how to improve the room.
I have a Yamaha RX-473 Receiver and paradigm phantom V2 speakers

I have the receivers, TV and speakers all in a corner.

I am very limited for space and sound system placement.

I am curious if adding sound absorption panels to the room would improve the acoustics.

Anyone have experience with improving sounds in small places. Any book or resources out there.

Thanks in Advance.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2015 10:19 am 
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Try some sound panels. Might help


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2015 10:29 am 
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Large oil paintings on the walls plus a large area rug will do wonders for you if the wife doesn't want panels in the room.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2015 10:44 am 
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A rug ( used ) for sound damping.
On the floor or hang on wall(s).

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A rug ( used ) for sound damping.
On the floor or hang on wall(s).


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2015 10:52 am 
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IMHO, if you can bear listening through headphones, quality dac/headphone amp combo and comfortable cans are way to go in your circumstances.

wall to wall carpeting plus bare walls = nightmare to balance.

If cans are not an option, try to sneak as many of room treatments as room decoration and get it from the home budget :-)

Shorter wall: Big, leafy plants in the corner and the speakers in front of them. Keep equipment at the side wall, not between the speakers.


Opposite shorter wall - some shelves filled with heavy books


Longer walls: Don't use glass framed art - use open framed stuff, diy absorption pannels or hanged rugs. If must use glass framed art, move it away from the point of the first reflection ( i.e. if you
can see speakers "in the mirror" while seating in the listening position)


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2015 11:00 am 
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My main system is in a small living room. I originally had conventional tall foorstanding speakers they we ok but, they needed a larger room. I bought the omni Duevel Planets and never looked back. I have since upgraded to the Venus and I'm extremely happy with the results. My advice is go with an omni speaker if space is a factor.


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Do you have the option to move your listening chair/sweet spot in nearfield so you can remove most of the impact of room acoustics? I helped a friend set up his system in a corner, both speakers side of TV and seating at 6' in an equilateral triangle settings. Very good improvement without spending money.

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My main system is in a small living room. I originally had conventional tall foorstanding speakers they we ok but, they needed a larger room. I bought the omni Duevel Planets and never looked back. I have since upgraded to the Venus and I'm extremely happy with the results. My advice is go with an omni speaker if space is a factor.


+1..since my BLD I don't know/care about placement issues :D

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cheap way to try is to use towels...but I think it's the placement? best to show a photo

another solution is to switch to studio monitors for nearfield listening


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The best suggestion that I can give is to buy some sound measuring software for an iPad or iPhone if you have one. There might be good software for Andriod too but I have not looked.

You can't have any idea if what you are doing is making any difference if you have no measurable way of identifying the change. It might be that you have a large null that you need to get rid of. Sometimes it can be as simple as moving the speakers or towing them in. A sound panel might fix the issue, but you need to know where to put it to get the best results. The last thing you need is to add stuff and make the problem effectively worse as without a measurement you will never know it.


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Recent downsizing to an appartment had me trying to figure out same. With two floor to ceiling glass walls it was a bit of a challenge. I just bought a Denon X4100 with Audyssey XT32 and I'm very impressed with what it did for the sound and also its' new "LFC" feature which somehow contains the bass so as not to disturb neighbors. So that would be my reccomendation, get a unit with that Audyssey level.
There's tons of options with it so you can play it more agressively in the day time and yet not loose too much at night. I come from a house & $40k system so downsizing was a definite culture shock, and this makes it far more palatable. I don't have my pro-kit anymore but I know down the road I'll be able to tweak it even better.


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Book - "Get Better Sound" - Jim Smith (available on-line - http://getbettersound.com/index.php)
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Are you speakers on the long wall or the short wall?

Sound panels will help. Bass trap on the corner first.

Another thing to try is near field speaker position. Try a equilateral triangle. 6-7ft (but not less than that).


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I gave up on getting any sort of decent sound in my new smaller livingroom and have gone exclusively with headphones.


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OBI56 wrote:
I gave up on getting any sort of decent sound in my new smaller livingroom and have gone exclusively with headphones.


A great idea.

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I think your speakers are way too big for the room. Try the Atom monitors instead. The Yamaha is rather a soft sounding receiver so should be no hardness to the sound. Pull the front plane of the speakers forward of the TV and play with toe in.

If the Yamaha is not sitting on any kind of isolation, try putting some rubber shelf liner under the feet.

Good affordable cable like Kimbre PBJ and 4 PR will provide a more even sound as well.

If you have big windows use drapes instead of blinds.

My big room was rather shouty until I tamed it with a mix of these things.


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