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PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2016 5:27 pm 
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I have a dedicated listening/HT room and a main floor 2ch listening room. Both rooms are serious. Both rooms involved drunken dancing this evening. No one was injured. :) I embrace Hodas.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 16, 2016 9:36 am 
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Serenity_now wrote:
I have a dedicated listening/HT room and a main floor 2ch listening room. Both rooms are serious. Both rooms involved drunken dancing this evening. No one was injured. :) I embrace Hodas.

He's just being honest and unlike cable salesmen, audiophiles etc, probably knows what he's talking about.

You're deluding yourself if you neglect room treatment. It literally makes no sense to spend on gear then put said gear in a sh*t room.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 16, 2016 9:56 am 
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You're deluding yourself if you neglect room treatment. It literally makes no sense to spend on gear then put said gear in a sh*t room.


I have to disagree. Sure, you may be deluding yourself if you tell yourself that your system is the best it can be without treatments, etc. But I've heard many many systems that sound fantastic without them. And in the end, if someone enjoys their system and knowingly doesn't want to spend the time and money on room treatment, then who's to say they are deluded?
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 16, 2016 10:16 am 
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I've got some minor room treatments in a shared living/listening room and my system sound fantastic. Although things sound great in the treated room at the audio store I run, by no means does the lesser gear sound better than what I have in my room. I deal with both rooms daily so this isn't theory. My home system could sound much better but for most of us a balance needs to be met.


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mantisory wrote:
FoxFoxFox wrote:
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You're deluding yourself if you neglect room treatment. It literally makes no sense to spend on gear then put said gear in a sh*t room.


I have to disagree. Sure, you may be deluding yourself if you tell yourself that your system is the best it can be without treatments, etc. But I've heard many many systems that sound fantastic without them. And in the end, if someone enjoys their system and knowingly doesn't want to spend the time and money on room treatment, then who's to say they are deluded?
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Room treatment is peanuts compared to gear. It costs almost nothing. People spend hundreds on digital cables...


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 16, 2016 10:44 am 
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As a wise man once said, "There's no fool like an audio fool."


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 16, 2016 10:46 am 
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Simple furnishings does the trick also , maybe not as good as a dedicated sound room .


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 16, 2016 10:48 am 
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cableguy wrote:
It's all about lifestyle balance ;)


...and apparently, the MUSIC!


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I don't have any room treatments in my room although I have some acoustic cloth I bought with the intention of making a couple panels. My issue is more with implementing them in a way that is meaningful and aesthetically pleasing as I keep my stereo in our living room. It's not some BS about WAF; I want it to look good for me too.
I have bought Jim Smiths book "Get Better Sound" and implemented some of his suggestions and think my system sounds pretty good. Friends agree. I don't really care if I'm not wringing every last bit of performance out of it because I lack room treatments. I have fun and really enjoy listening to music. I sure hope everyone else does too!


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Is there a pdf version of get better sound floating around anywhere?


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2016 2:56 am 
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Not that I'm aware of.


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Serenity_now wrote:
Is there a pdf version of get better sound floating around anywhere?


No, but you can get a used copy in paperback on Amazon.ca starting at $362.31 or a new copy in paperback on Amazon.ca starting at $479.20

https://www.amazon.ca/Get-Better-Sound- ... B00Z8E2ZDI

They must think we audiophiles are a bunch of suckers!


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cableguy wrote:
Because many audioFOOLS believe that the gear is the only thing that matters.

Amen.

The most important factors are the brain and the state of mind when listening.


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I would be looking at it as a curiosity more than anything. I can't imagine he's covered more ground than "the book" or Toole's sound reproduction. I find audiophile resources one part plausible, two parts busted, with magic beans sprinkled on top.


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Grado wrote:
The most important factors are the brain and the state of mind when listening.


Not sure about that. Maybe to a degree. Even if I was in some LSD haze I would still be able to differentiate between good sound and bad.

I would put one's ears at the top of the list. If most of us uploaded pics of our audiograms it would make our equipment opinions seem secondary. Especially for older audiophiles and/or factory workers exposed to loud noises. Have a look at some of these:

https://www.google.ca/search?q=audiogra ... 80&bih=871

After "ears" I would have listening room, setup and equipment as equal importance to me.


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