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PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2017 6:31 am 
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I wrote in my notes among other things:

"I expected it to be close to the performance of the Sky, with a little character of the Hawk. I didn't expect it to be better than both."

They look like a Totem, but sound truly evolved from the classic Totem line, including the Hawk which I have loved since I heard them.

Strictly on sound quality, I can think of no speaker that outperforms or that I enjoy more anywhere near it's price. In fact, I had more fun listening to them than the tens of dozens of listening tests I've done with our reference system. This is a personal take on them, hence my personal account post :D .

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This is a thread created by a dealer promoting a speaker that many are interested in. Have a little respect.


Thanks bro.

I'd welcome anyone to bring their speakers for comparison if they wish. Whether you're considering them or not, it's educational at the very least. Plus I won't argue over matters of personal taste 8) . It's all for fun and love of sound!


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Adriankn wrote:
I wrote in my notes among other things:

"I expected it to be close to the performance of the Sky, with a little character of the Hawk. I didn't expect it to be better than both."

They look like a Totem, but sound truly evolved from the classic Totem line, including the Hawk which I have loved since I heard them.

Strictly on sound quality, I can think of no speaker that outperforms or that I enjoy more anywhere near it's price. In fact, I had more fun listening to them than the tens of dozens of listening tests I've done with our reference system. This is a personal take on them, hence my personal account post :D .

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This is a thread created by a dealer promoting a speaker that many are interested in. Have a little respect.


Thanks bro.

I'd welcome anyone to bring their speakers for comparison if they wish. Whether you're considering them or not, it's educational at the very least. Plus I won't argue over matters of personal taste 8) . It's all for fun and love of sound!


Nicely said. Speaking of the Hawks, that is a fine sounding loudspeaker. I marveled in its amazing musicality/articulation when first heard (circa 2003/4?).

I believe anyone who is honest can agree upon a products musical and technical accuracy/honesty.

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Adriankn wrote:
I wrote in my notes among other things:

"I expected it to be close to the performance of the Sky, with a little character of the Hawk. I didn't expect it to be better than both."

They look like a Totem, but sound truly evolved from the classic Totem line, including the Hawk which I have loved since I heard them.

Strictly on sound quality, I can think of no speaker that outperforms or that I enjoy more anywhere near it's price. In fact, I had more fun listening to them than the tens of dozens of listening tests I've done with our reference system. This is a personal take on them, hence my personal account post :D .

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sthomas1049 wrote:
This is a thread created by a dealer promoting a speaker that many are interested in. Have a little respect.


Thanks bro.

I'd welcome anyone to bring their speakers for comparison if they wish. Whether you're considering them or not, it's educational at the very least. Plus I won't argue over matters of personal taste 8) . It's all for fun and love of sound!


Thanks for the great writeup! I'm really curious how they handle the midrange and highs, compared to the Hawks. Do they still have that crystal clear and airy highs of the Hawks? Or is it a different feel?

Any help appreciated!


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Both mids and highs are faster and more open than Hawk. I wouldn't use airy to describe the highs on the Hawk myself. I would for the Sky and Sky Tower.

The Sky Tower has less tonal character than the Hawk, but slightly more than the Sky (bookshelf). If you've heard both the Hawk and Sky and like both, you'd like the Sky Tower for sure.


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Adriankn wrote:
Both mids and highs are faster and more open than Hawk. I wouldn't use airy to describe the highs on the Hawk myself. I would for the Sky and Sky Tower.

The Sky Tower has less tonal character than the Hawk, but slightly more than the Sky (bookshelf). If you've heard both the Hawk and Sky and like both, you'd like the Sky Tower for sure.



Awesome! I'm currently using the Rokks which I adore for their miss and highs. I guess when I think of the Hawks, it's a stunningly holographic speaker which handles rock AND jazz so well!
Your write up has given me hope that this new tower just might be the ticket!

Really appreciate the personal post!

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Adriankn wrote:
Both mids and highs are faster and more open than Hawk. I wouldn't use airy to describe the highs on the Hawk myself. I would for the Sky and Sky Tower.

The Sky Tower has less tonal character than the Hawk, but slightly more than the Sky (bookshelf). If you've heard both the Hawk and Sky and like both, you'd like the Sky Tower for sure.


The Hawk is a finely expressive, musical transducer; a quick 'Sky' (stand-mount) audition was nowhere near that of the Hawk's musicality -whether described in "speed" or as "openness".

For readers/those interested, what exactly does "...The Sky Tower has less tonal character than the Hawk, but slightly more than the Sky (bookshelf)" mean ? Clarification required.

pj

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Adriankn wrote:
Both mids and highs are faster and more open than Hawk. I wouldn't use airy to describe the highs on the Hawk myself. I would for the Sky and Sky Tower.

The Sky Tower has less tonal character than the Hawk, but slightly more than the Sky (bookshelf). If you've heard both the Hawk and Sky and like both, you'd like the Sky Tower for sure.



Awesome! I'm currently using the Rokks which I adore for their miss and highs. I guess when I think of the Hawks, it's a stunningly holographic speaker which handles rock AND jazz so well!
Your write up has given me hope that this new tower just might be the ticket!

Really appreciate the personal post!

G


Stick with the tried/true 'Hawk'. your comment about it, specifically "... it's a stunningly holographic speaker ...." describes it appropriately.

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allhifi wrote:
For readers/those interested, what exactly does "...The Sky Tower has less tonal character than the Hawk, but slightly more than the Sky (bookshelf)" mean ? Clarification required.

pj


PJ, I agree with you regarding the Hawk.

The main take away from that quote from me is the second part you did not include "If you've heard both the Hawk and Sky and like both, you'd like the Sky Tower for sure."

I would like you to hear the Sky and Sky Tower here before continuing to comment on the merits of either vs. the Hawk. Not because I don't agree that they are different or that you didn't like the Sky briefly as you heard them. And you are certainly not wrong about the Hawk being musically engaging. However tonal accuracy on the Sky (bookshelf) plus the tonal character/musicality of the Hawk might be preferred over one or the other for some individuals.

I invite everyone to hear them, as they are not the same as either the Sky or Hawk. Hearing those alone will not give you an idea of their sound, nor will reading my comments or reviews.

We believe in making informed decisions. The best thing anyone can do is listen to as much as they. That is the only call to action here. We only sell what we professionally feel represents great value. What someone personally enjoys most can only be determined by experiencing it for themselves.

Discouraging someone to experience something new when the effort to do so comes at no cost to them other than the time is an extreme disservice.

Every recommendation should be followed with the caveat that it has to be evaluated personally. Too many comments on these threads are laced with negativity and confirmation bias. This thread is only to encourage everyone that cares to have a listen to do so.

For the love of music,

I hope to listen with you soon!


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Adriankn wrote:
allhifi wrote:
For readers/those interested, what exactly does "...The Sky Tower has less tonal character than the Hawk, but slightly more than the Sky (bookshelf)" mean ? Clarification required.

pj


PJ, I agree with you regarding the Hawk.

The main take away from that quote from me is the second part you did not include "If you've heard both the Hawk and Sky and like both, you'd like the Sky Tower for sure."

I would like you to hear the Sky and Sky Tower here before continuing to comment on the merits of either vs. the Hawk. Not because I don't agree that they are different or that you didn't like the Sky briefly as you heard them. And you are certainly not wrong about the Hawk being musically engaging. However tonal accuracy on the Sky (bookshelf) plus the tonal character/musicality of the Hawk might be preferred over one or the other for some individuals.

I have already stated that is my preference. But is certainly not gospel or the last word on the matter. But I have heard all the above speakers for many hours in multiple systems, not for a short amount of time in systems I'm not intimately familiar with.

I invite everyone to hear them, as they are not the same as either the Sky or Hawk. Hearing those alone will not give you an idea of their sound, nor will reading my comments or reviews.


Nicely said. I must inquire about the time on the Sky stand-mount I auditioned. There reason that I observed a very distinct tonal coloration (enclosure resonance I suspect -that, remarkably reminded me of some Totem models from the past. Right in the lower midrange ( 400-800 Hz.) that was so disconcerting a change to another loudspeaker brand laid bare -it was the speakers.

Naturally, oddities do occur within the break-in period, but none in my experience that resembled a enclosure resonance. A simple accelerometer (or perhaps Android 'App'?) can easily reveal the suspected panel coloration. I'd be surprised (actually, strike that, no I wouldn't) that a review indicating as much has not been undertaken/reported.

The Sky column by nature of it's internal volume increase would likely drop the primary resonance frequency -inferring a more benign characteristic.

Bear in mind, to my mind at least, that a $2-$3k investment is a substantial one, and that we all should be critical when evaluating and/or dissecting a products merits and/or shortcomings.

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allhifi wrote:
Bear in mind, to my mind at least, that a $2-$3k investment is a substantial one, and that we all should be critical when evaluating and/or dissecting a products merits and/or shortcomings.


I fully agree. However, earlier you made a statement that could discourage someone from bothering to audition competitors.

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Stick with the tried/true 'Hawk'. your comment about it, specifically "... it's a stunningly holographic speaker ...." describes it appropriately.


Not that your evaluation of the Hawk is, or really could be wrong - by virtue of it being your personal opinion. And I share the same enthusiasm for the Hawk as a seriously musical loudspeaker.

I'm just encouraging everyone to form their own opinion, regardless of what I or anyone thinks or says. No disrespected intended at all. Quite the opposite. Thank you Pj.


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Adriankn wrote:
allhifi wrote:
Bear in mind, to my mind at least, that a $2-$3k investment is a substantial one, and that we all should be critical when evaluating and/or dissecting a products merits and/or shortcomings.


I fully agree. However, earlier you made a statement that could discourage someone from bothering to audition competitors.

allhifi wrote:
Stick with the tried/true 'Hawk'. your comment about it, specifically "... it's a stunningly holographic speaker ...." describes it appropriately.


Not that your personally evaluation of the Hawk is, or really could be wrong - by virtue of it being your personal opinion. And I share the same enthusiasm for the Hawk as a seriously musical loudspeaker.

I'm just encouraging everyone to form their own opinion, regardless of what I or anyone thinks or says. No disrespected intended at all. Quite the opposite. Thank you Pj.


None taken. Indeed, we really should all be grateful for the abundance of fine gear available today. clearly, we've (the industry) have moved light-years from that of near all offerings from the 20-th century!

May we continue to be inspired and enlightened by music ...

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I Have the room booked and will be there in about a week. If they're as good as you say they are maybe I'll buy both and put them in rotation with my Model One Sigs given how economical they are to buy. I still wanna hear the Forests though. :D

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Hello friends,

I am actually debating myself regarding which model to purchase for my living room.

As a small background info, I have Totem Rainmakers in my bedroom as our TV/Music setup, and we love them! We are sorely missing that quality of sound in the living room.

Still, there are options and routes we could take:

  • Buy Sky Towers for the living room, leave Rainmakers in bedroom
  • Buy Sky Bookshelfs for the living room, leave Rainmakers in bedroom
  • Buy Sky Bookshelfs for the bedroom and move the Rainmakers to the living room (depending on the second amp / dac capacity to run the rainmakers)

I was also considering the Hawks, but they may be a bit out of budget for me.

I have to make a confession: I heard the Sky Bookshelfs during a demo on a place where I am familiar with the acoustics... they were 'nasal'. The singing voices where buried behind a fog or veil... I wasn't impressed. There were some Hawks there, but I was not able to audition them properly and they were quickly replaced by some Element Earths, where obviously everything else became poorer in comparison.

But I am concerned that the Skys would not be that much of an improvement over the Rainmakers I already have. I have also read people that prefer the Sky Bookshelfs over the Sky Towers, claiming better control.

I am curious about your thoughts? Would the Sky Towers present a good evolution of sound for me if I already love the Rainmakers? (but somehow have concerns about the Sky Bookshelfs?)

Thanks very much!
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Hello Rafa,

You likely heard the Sky with too few hours on them. They can be thin and a touch shouty without 200-250 hours on them. I've noticed as time goes on that the floor standers take a bit of extra time to break in, but both sound their best with well over 300 hours of play on them.

Rainmakers are more similar in sound signature to the Forest. I like both, but personal preference will dictate which is better for you. I personally enjoy Sky Towers the most of all the classic Totems and Hawks a close second. Sky bookshelf is my favourite of their bookshelves within the classic line. The Fires and Metals are my favourite of their whole lineup.

But you will have to hear them, preferably at home, to decide. Or at least A/B the Sky Tower, Bookshelf and maybe Hawk. Just keep in might the Hawk is a little harder to pair with equipment and the Sky Tower is likely the easiest to mate with amps. I find the Sky bookshelf a touch more detailed and tight in it's lowest regions. But I personally like the Hawk-like smooth bass of the Sky Tower over the Bookshelf. That's just me, and I can see why someone might like the Bookshelf or Hawk over the Sky Tower. Both Sky models are more detailed and open sounding than the Hawk as well. Not by much,but they share a fantastic tweeter (that takes just about forever to breakin, as I mentioned).

I hope that all helps. I think you'd be happy with any of them, really. If you like the Rainmaker, you might even consider a second pair. The Sky is a higher performer, and is less critical of amplification. But far more critical of source material and equipment.

The easiest system, for all in one Sky or Sky Tower is the new Hegel H90 for digital and Rega Brio for vinyl (paired with a Hegel HD12 for both). The Icon Audio 20PP is an awesome amp for them as well if you like small tube amps. I imagine most EL84, EL34 and KT150 amps would sound great with them. All the ones I have tried do.

Thanks Rafa!


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Thanks SimcoeSound,

Very detailed and helpful answer! I believe you are right about everything, including the Sky's I heard being a little raw.

I cannot upgrade all my equipment though, if I go with the Sky Towers, I would move my current system to the living room. So whichever goes there (most probably the Sky Tower) would be paired with a NuPrime DAC-10 and NuPrime ST-10.

I was thinking of putting something much smaller (and far less pricier) in the bedroom. Something in the likes of a NuPrime IDA-8 (since it shares the sound characteristics of my current amps), or something modest like that.

I am not going to be able to buy everything new! :( Do you think this would be a nice match?

Thanks again,
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Adrian, I just wanted to congratulate you in handling a rather "difficult" poster on this thread. You handled the (obvious) attempt to hijack the thread and redirect the content....you handled it perfectly and redirected the poster's comments in a positive way. Well done! And, by doing so, you have piqued my interest. I will be driving by very soon (as ski season starts) and will make a point of booking an appointment at Simcoe Sound and giving these speakers a solid audition.


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