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PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2013 6:50 pm 
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Robcrx wrote:
hmm.. isn't it buyer beware ?
I mean he didnt buy the item from a store.
In turn, if I was the buyer, I would want a refund as well as the item was misrepresented.
This is an enthusiast community and we must all buy and sell in good honest terms.


Buyer beware? So if I were selling you 2012 E-Class Mercedes, but instead sold you 2005 C-Class with model number removed from the trunk, it's buyer beware, right?


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PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2013 7:08 pm 
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Computeruser wrote:
I'd like some members opinions on CAM transaction with member "Pure Sound"
The ad was for a Classe DR-3B with the heading:

"CLASSE DR3 B power amp to trade for Integrated ayre,naim,unico"

first posted Apr22/2013

I sent the person an email thru CAM asking how much he would accept
for the amplifier in cash as I had nothing to trade. He said he
would accept $1500 which is not out of line for a DR-3B. I accepted
and we set up a meeting to conduct the transaction.

What should have been a tip off was that he didnt keep his word 3
times for meeting up for this transaction. I was quite willing to drive
to his house for a demo but he always wanted to meet half way then
something always came up that his plans had to change. I should
have listened to the voice in my head and walked away from this but
on May06, he phoned and offered to deliver the amplifier to my house.
Its not far, we live only about 50km apart.

He did arrive as promised, really - a nice enough guy, The amp was very
dirty but this is never an issue for me as I do restorations. There was
also an original DR-3 manual and there were the big silver plated speaker
connectors on the rear. I didnt listen to the unit, I didnt need to. While
he was here I put the unit on my bench and ran it thru some tests, all
seemed normal. Power output and distortion were about right. I did not
open it up to look inside, knowing that I would do this later and adjust
bias and DC offset. The transaction was completed and he left.

When I did open it, I found that the unit was actually a DR-2. Those silver
plated output jacks had been added later, possibly by Classe as the job was
reasonably well done. I also noticed that on the DR-2 "label", on the rear
between those output connectors - the "2" had been scratched out so the
label simply said "DR". The big blue filter caps were dated 1981 and the
driver boards were labeled DR2PCB1RO. A DR-2.

I emailed the seller that the unit was a DR-2 not a DR-3B. He replied he was
surprised and claimed he had no idea about this. He had bought it that way and
had used it for years under the assumption that it was a DR-3B. Further
inspection revealed one of the 1000uf electrolytics was bulging (normal for
age - easily fixed). The seller said he would contact the store where he bought
it (years ago so what purpose this would serve I have no idea). I said that I
liked the amp and wanted to keep it BUT - I did not get what the ad said, what
I paid for, and what I thought I was buying. I had simply paid way too much
for for a DR-2, so I suggested a $200 refund, which is more than fair and I
would accept that I was still paying too much for it (IE $1300 instead of $1500)

He claimed he did not have any money at the moment and had tried to phone me several
times. I have an answering machine - no messages have been left. Subsequent
emails that I have sent have not be answered.

I hesitate to post negative feedback. I have never had negative feedback,
either on CAM, ebay or elsewhere and I dont want retaliation for this transaction
if I do post some. I mostly sell on Kijiji. This way I get to meet the buyer,
demonstrate the unit properly and am reasonably sure the buyer
is happy when he leaves after paying. I have had some requests form non-local
people and these transactions have required me to ship the item and there have
been no problems with this either. As this was a face-to-face CAM transaction,
I felt my criteria was being met. I admit ignorance on my part as well. I had
never seen a DR-2 or a DR-3 close up. I had only looked at pictures taken
from the net but I guess this was not enough. The DR-3 manual also fooled me.

When a Kijiji buyer leaves my house with his purchase, even if it is a $10 item, I always
tell them that if they are not happy they can return it within a reasonable amount
of time, say a week or so. My reputation is more valuable than money. It's worth it
just to see the expression on their face and, I have never had anything returned.
I do not expect this treatment from those who I buy items from on Kijiji, it is a much
more buyer-beware environment, but I do expect to get what I have paid for.

So - a heads up. The seller just sold a Music Hall DAC so it will be interesting to
see the feedback (if any) on that transaction. If I do eventually (and I dont expect
to) get the $200 refund I will post that here.

Thanks



That's where he incriminates himself. Do the feedback, please.....

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PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2013 7:34 pm 
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If the seller doesn't come up with the $200 and your not satisfied. It's time for negative feedback. When I saw this ad I thought it was sketchy. We need to know about guys like this is why we have feedback. I buy lots of stuff sight unseen and I'm expecting the seller to be a stand up guy. I'm basing some of my trust in the seller on that feedback.

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PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2013 8:07 pm 
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Totally agreed that the new and old members here 'use' the 'feedback' like a bible. I have joined CAM for a few years and I take pride in my 'positive' feedbacks. When I have to buy stuffs on CAM I make sure I 'check' the seller's feedback, even with ONE f--ken 'negative' feedback I will NOT buy from that particular seller. Please do the 'feedback'. Nice guy does not need to finish last. Take care and good luck.


The Glass Prison wrote:
If the seller doesn't come up with the $200 and your not satisfied. It's time for negative feedback. When I saw this ad I thought it was sketchy. We need to know about guys like this is why we have feedback. I buy lots of stuff sight unseen and I'm expecting the seller to be a stand up guy. I'm basing some of my trust in the seller on that feedback.


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PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2013 8:47 pm 
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Apogee77 wrote:
Totally agreed that the new and old members here 'use' the 'feedback' like a bible. I have joined CAM for a few years and I take pride in my 'positive' feedbacks. When I have to buy stuffs on CAM I make sure I 'check' the seller's feedback, even with ONE f--ken 'negative' feedback I will NOT buy from that particular seller. Please do the 'feedback'. Nice guy does not need to finish last. Take care and good luck.



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I don't like reading comments such as the above underlined sentences simply because
with that narrow thinking approach some nice guys will finish last.

How many on this site have "one f--ken negative' feedback" as quoted above that
did nothing wrong but happen to deal with some of the many who nothing short
of giving them an item for free and will post negative feedback as a way of punishing
the seller for not giving in and has really done nothing wrong.
Its often used as a bartering veiled threat , even here and with a real right to do so what is
the OP actually doing but a public feedback flogging without leaving feedback.....
but this thread is always here correct ?..............
A deeper look than seeing a number one beside the word negative usually
can reveal also a buyer who became ignorant, combative and unreasonable
for a purchase they regret not a purchase misrepresented or mishandled by the
seller.
But by your standard, F--- em........ he has a negative.........
I hope for your sake Karma never introduces you to the buyer from hell
that many have had the unfortunate meeting of....... as then you won't
buy or sell hear either buy your own creed........or will then you see
how different or unfair it is because its you now finishing last ,.......

I think a little more should be put into research than a gross generalization
of lumping a single negative without explanation against the type of
wrong done to the OP in this thread.
No offence , its just how I see fair and "all" the good guys not finishing last....
and I have no negative feedback either :wink:


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PostPosted: Tue May 28, 2013 9:47 am 
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An update.

I sent an email on Saturday, Seller replied he would contact me
on Monday. It is now Tuesday and, as expected, no contact.

Another email was sent just a few minutes ago. If a satisfactory
response is not received - negative feedback will be posted.
You can see I really dont want to leave negative feedback and am
giving ample time and options to work this out.

But enough is enough.

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Sent May28th 2013 @ 139pm

Monday has passed. Tuesday is 1/2 over. No contact.

So I'll repeat my questions

1. Are you going to refund $200 as requested and discussed?

2. I will also accept returning the amplifier to you for a full refund.
All the little issues it had (loose jack, buldging capacitors)
have been fixed and the bias and DC offset have been adjusted.
The unit has also been thoroughly cleaned.

3. Or..is this transaction over and done with as far as you are concerned.

It is pretty simple: 1, 2 or 3. You've had lots of time to think about it.

Please reply in writing (email) so there is no misunderstanding

Thank you

(my name removed)

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At 10:54 AM 24/05/2013, you wrote:

I will contact you on monday

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De: ""Computer User" <email address removed>
À: "email address removed
Envoyé: 24 mai 2013 10:45
Objet: Re: CLASSE DR3 B

Am I going to ever hear from you again?
Are you going to refund $200 as requested?
Or is this transaction over and done with as far as you are concerned.

My name - removed

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PostPosted: Tue May 28, 2013 10:11 am 
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PostPosted: Tue May 28, 2013 10:31 am 
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Thanks for info Mike40ont


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PostPosted: Tue May 28, 2013 11:44 am 
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Yeah, you have to leave the feedback as a deterrent and so someone else doesnt get sandbagged. If your side of the story is all-in, then his intent is obvious....

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PostPosted: Wed May 29, 2013 5:12 am 
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No contact as expected from seller.

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Negative feedback has been posted.
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I have kept all emails sent to & recv'd from this seller for reference.
Thanks to everyone for their support.


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PostPosted: Wed May 29, 2013 6:13 am 
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I would take him to small claims court. I know it is a bit of a pain but it really isn't that difficult.
Also, if he doesn't make things right please let us know what his real name is and where he is from( as he will simply change his user name).


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PostPosted: Wed May 29, 2013 7:57 am 
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This guy scammed you, whether he knew it or not is irreverent at this point because he did not FIX it. You should leave negative feedback for this transaction. The whole point of the feedback system is to educate the NEXT buyer about the seller. The negative feedback may not resolve your problem, but it may prevent someone else from getting scammed. This is what differentiates the the CAM "Community" from Kijiji.


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PostPosted: Wed May 29, 2013 10:24 am 
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What's to stop the scammer from leaving the OP with a negative now? Seems like a flaw in the system.

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PostPosted: Wed May 29, 2013 10:39 am 
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just a word about small claims court.
it is not 'free'. it can cost about $500 or more in fees just to file a claim.
and even if you win a judgement there is no guarantee that you will recover funds from the other party.
especially if the individual lives in a different province/jurisdication than you do.


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PostPosted: Wed May 29, 2013 11:34 am 
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I have no intention of going to small claims court.


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