Canuck Audio Mart Hifi and Audio ForumCanuck Audio Mart Hifi and Audio Forum
It is currently Tue Oct 17, 2017 1:42 am

All times are UTC - 8 hours




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 45 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2, 3  Next
Author Message
PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2016 9:36 am 
Offline
Dealer/Sponsor

Joined: Tue Jun 14, 2016 8:33 am
Posts: 1021
Location: Kingston, ON, CA
Here's the text from the advert, which is fairly descriptive:

When we started Teo Audio, we had at our disposal, the newest and most correct -very broadband- signal transmission technology for analog audio. The one viable type and methodology that is unique and beyond all other methods for the transfer of highly complex audio signals.

It took time for us to learn how to tame the technology, to get it to perform the best it can, with it's unique set of challenges of issues vs benefits in design and constructional aspects. After eight long years of many many iterations of internal design attempts and modelling, we come to what looks simple, but is actually very refined.

A straightforward looking single ended RCA cable of peerless quality, utilizing a technology and method of transmission that inherently surpasses anything that a solid wire could ever possibly achieve. There comes a point when the change in a given technology, into a new methodology, is complete and obvious -- to anyone who might care to look with unbiased mind, and open ears.

Over time, various rumours came to our ears that the much of the high end audio cable industry was afraid of us. A new technology which is a magnitude beyond -- has a way of doing that.

Introducing Teo audio's best combined price vs performance audio cable, the Teo audio GC. The 'Game Changer', purpose built for a game changing moment.

That moment is now.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


Lets just say that well, the technology is different. What goes on with electron clouds and how they integrate with 'solid wire', or frozen lattice elements and alloys, is not the same as what goes on when electron clouds integrate with a highly conductive pure molecular fluid.

These are two entirely different things, two entirely different considerations and happenings.

We (humanity) have historically used wire, in the audio field.... as a low resistance conduit for 'electricity', but it is not the best channel for what is essentially a complex AC plasma. 'Wire' is the standard due to historical precedent, and continuance in known sciences. Even our measurement systems and whatnot are centered around wire's use and application, entirely.

Fluids, atomic level fluids... are, in technical analysis...a more suitable channel for a complex AC plasma. The caveat..is we don't have channels of such nature which have a low enough level of resistance, and the explanations of such, are so complex that few can get a handle on it. Supercomputers can barely touch it (modelling aspects).

Enter... a "room temperature fluid" metal alloy.

Which does have a low enough level of internal resistance, ie a high enough level of conductivity, to be a good plasma channeling transmission line, with respect to being used in analog audio signal transmission/transport.

Our signals in the world of analog audio, are highly complex AC in nature and type.

What ends up happening, is the complex electrical function of a complex AC audio signal, in-situ in the act of transmission, is better served by a high conductivity molecular fluid -over that of a solid. The fluid ends up being a good magnitude beyond, in complimentary aspects of audio signal handling.

Some major corporations have taken some of the designs we built for them, into their laboratories for analysis...because of how it can inherently handle complex multi-phased or multiplexed signals, under power loading... with notably less degradation than that of a solid solid wire or microwave channel (depending on the design app).

For example, depending on the measurement technique in use (the fluid is malleable in it's response), one of our RCA cables can measure as low as 7pf a meter(!), as a terminated and dressed/labelled RCA audio cable. Which is an insane number for a physicist to see. There are reasons for that kind of number to be seen, reasons which are quite technical. When understood, the crazy number becomes obvious.

The issue, for some, is that.... this is all non-disputable physics..... but is also a very tricky thing to understand.

Even as a fundamental and truthful statement, It can and does cause schism and divide in people, which we hope to avoid here. Emotions rise, and the audiophile fisticuffs and fur can begin flying.

We are trying to bring our product to market and state only factual things, but it can get emotional, when the understanding is not there. This creates difficulties, as one can imagine.

These are the sort of things that happen, when things change.

Thank you for your time.

_________________
(Ken Hotte, of) Teo Audio


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2016 10:06 am 
Offline
Dealer/Sponsor

Joined: Mon Nov 14, 2005 4:48 pm
Posts: 61
Location: Markham, ON, CA
You guys are amazing !!


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2016 12:38 pm 
Offline
Dealer/Sponsor

Joined: Tue Jun 14, 2016 8:33 am
Posts: 1021
Location: Kingston, ON, CA
Charisma Audio wrote:
You guys are amazing !!



Thank you Bernard.

How do we get people to understand things like a statement from a person who has distributed the best audio equipment the world has seen, and at 35+ years deep in that endeavor.... To have that person say that liquid metal audio cables are 'the biggest single change I've ever heard, in my entire career in audio'?

It sounds like trashy hyperbola.

The problem for people, when they try to assess that sort of offered opinion, is that they have no basis to compare, as all they've ever heard audio signals through.....is metal and wire. In everything. It sounds crazy, like the worst kind of hype.

But it is the opposite.

In actuality, it's the first time that, in the experience of hearing the liquid metal ...that they've heard the music so..um..er..'differently', due a change ----that is a difference in the very fundamentals of the physics of how they normally deal with signal conduction.

In the advert, the line about rumours...the reality is... that the words came from the mouth of one of the premier audio cable manufacturers in the business, directly to our ears, in our presence. People whom we like, and have respect for. To add, they did not say 'some', they said 'all'. But..if we say the truth we might get lambasted, so we have to back off and present that dilution of true statements.

The cable is out there, with a money back return warranty if not satisfied..... as with this particular design, we don't think that anyone, anywhere, with any sort of audio system, will ever want a refund.

_________________
(Ken Hotte, of) Teo Audio


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2016 12:52 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Fri Jun 14, 2013 4:52 pm
Posts: 3335
Location: Lasalle, ON, CA
Charisma Audio wrote:
You guys are amazing !!

I don't mean to be rude or anything, but if the science truly is that difficult to understand then how can we know whether they're amazing or not? It's true that many of the claims we accept rest upon arguments from authority, but this can still be warranted if there are other experts in the field who seem to corroborate the claims being made.

Is there any independent corroborating evidence supporting the claims being made? Providing links to such evidence would go a long way toward helping alleviate any doubts people may have about the legitimacy of those claims. :D

_________________
Phil


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2016 1:32 pm 
Offline
Dealer/Sponsor

Joined: Tue Jun 14, 2016 8:33 am
Posts: 1021
Location: Kingston, ON, CA
Hello Phil,

That takes time to build and we've not pursued that uphill battle, a battle that would be with all sides of the people/market involved. That's a kind of fight with city hall where the family, friends, and friendlies... also unknowingly stab you in the back, at the same time.

As you can see, via your own comment, it begins immediately. In mere hours. :)

Which is why we've waited since 2007 for it to be picked up on it's own. This is our first foray into any form of advertising.

My advice, in order to disarm your 'request', is to wait it out. Let some others buy the cables and see what they say.

In some ways..the same way I've waited over 20 years for other folks to beta test knee surgery for me.

Bernard at Charisma is not the distributor who made the comment. He has no involvement with us. The comment came from one of the premier audio distributors in Hong Kong. We've even had one high-end dealer call us from their US office and apologize for trashing us... they called when they finally heard one of our cables. Yet they still don't carry our cables. Perhaps you can guess why.

_________________
(Ken Hotte, of) Teo Audio


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Thu Jun 16, 2016 5:22 am 
Offline
Dealer/Sponsor

Joined: Tue Jun 14, 2016 8:33 am
Posts: 1021
Location: Kingston, ON, CA
Here's an attempt to explain what is going on:

The technology of a true fluid conductive pathway, with low impedance, has some critical aspects which overcome some of the critical the limitations of solid wire, when it comes to AC signals of high bandwidth, with regard to DC to well over the skin effect 'hump' range.

Simply because the best contact between two points is an arc of electricity, where the electron cloud is both the channel and the intelligence/signal itself. Problem is, vacuum or air has too high of an impedance for audio use, and this creates it's own issues. But, within that given arc of electricity, the dynamics of AC signal conduction are perfected at the junction between each given 'electron'. Dynamically, on the fly, at Planck length levels.

A high conductivity molecular fluid, likened to that of a low impedance metal alloy, which is what we have here.... is the only way to get close to that perfected ideal in a usable real-world situation. And in that pathway, the impedance will shift dynamically with the signal, on the fly, from molecule to molecule, at Planck length levels and speeds.

If you take a Teo audio cable to a friend who may work at a high technology company or a university and that person is inquisitive and open minded..and is very familiar with the fundamentals of electricity, in the quantum sense, they might be able to make sense of it. If they are given the right clues, and have the right tools at hand. As they are going to witness seemingly bizarre anomalies.

The impedance measurements and capacitive measurements (using traditional laboratory gear).. of a Teo audio cable will be all over the place, and shift constantly, until one gets to very high frequencies of approx +10khz.

This is due to the mass of the fluid specifically with respect to conductivity pathways, or electron orbital alignments, as the mass of the test signal itself.....shapes the pathways in conjunction with said molecular fluid mass. Which, under high delta conditions, such as peaks and high loading, this will be shaped more akin to that of a pure plasma. The signal mass begins to take over under high delta or high frequencies/transients. Or that of heavy current loading.

The liquid metal alloy is shifting, in all parameters, under loading. and that definitely includes complex impedance, and/or conductivity, mass and volume. We know that a similar alloy/fluid is used as as a replacement in thermometers (the safe replacement for mercury) and this is due to a volume change under thermal conditions. Thermal, of course, means a form of energetic addition and subtraction, when analyzed as a dynamic. thermal is also, in this analysis concerning audio - akin to electrical addition and subtraction. Electrical differential and delta.

Basically, as an electrically conductive pathway that is dealing with very complex AC dynamics, the Teo Audio cable can shift with the dynamic loading. Which is unlike any solid metal, regarding any degree that is useful for audio signals.

In essence, modern measurement gear, on it's own, cannot make sense of what is going on in the measurements and the anomalies seen in the measurements, as these traditional measurement systems and tests were designed solely to work with frozen lattice structure conductive elements. Ie, wire and metal.

This can be verified with a simple $100 LCR meter that has variable impedance and variable capacitance measurement ability. something like 100hz, 120hz, 1khz,and 10khz impedance, resistance and capacitance measurements.

All solid metal wires measured...will be utterly stable.

The Teo audio cable presents a conductivity system which the instrument was not designed to deal with and the numbers obtained will be all over the map, and even within each measurement in each fraction of a second. (each iteration)

Stability in the measurements means, due to that frozen lattice structure of the wire/metal... that any wire/cable is, as we all really and truly know in the electrical field, that the cable is only good or perfected, at one single frequency, and that of a direct current. Just those two. DC, and one single frequency.

All other frequencies will cause reflection and distortion, as the solids can only work with the signal in their locked lattice electron orbital conductivity pathways. In a way, for solid wire, it is analogous to how light works with lenses. It's the same as light with respect to the fields shaping as compared to photons. We can't see electricity or the electron cloud as it integrates with the wire....so it can be difficult to understand.

In a solid metal cable, each time the frequency changes from that single perfected frequency, the impedance and/or physical construction (they are effectively the same) would be required to shift dynamically with the signal, in order to handle it with low distortion. It would have to shift everywhere in the cable, at light speed, at the specific molecule to molecule condition of individual units of electron orbital connectivity in the elemental or alloy lattice.

This cannot be done. this is why all solid metal cables seem to have a level of loading where they seem to go 'harsh' sounding, as the distortions of the cable rise to a level that is significant to the human hearing mechanism. This loading issue is well known to knowledgeable and sensitive audiophiles. This is only part of the story of loading issues, though. What I'm saying here is only simple and partial analysis, but the basics are here and they are well known.

The only cable out there that achieves any form of a close match to this required dynamic function at the electron orbital co-joining level, is the fluid metal alloy cables of Teo audio.

When people try the Teo cables as compared to any audio cable that uses metal lattice/solids, many hear this difference, immediately.

This is what I mean, when I say that Teo audio cables are a full corrected magnitude beyond all lattice structure frozen element/alloy wire audio cables, with regard to how they work with the given audio signal. When looked at with the correct data and analysis...the physics and the analysis are functional and real, by all known and utilized science.

_________________
(Ken Hotte, of) Teo Audio


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Thu Jun 16, 2016 6:38 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Fri Jan 07, 2011 1:17 pm
Posts: 2398
Location: Not Toronto, ON, CA
This sounds very interesting and exciting. That is a lot of copy for an ad though... i guess audiophiles dont respond normally to traditional stimulus tho, so it may just do the trick :lol:

Any plans to send a pair around for demo?

_________________
... just can't trust them corvette drivin' freemasons!


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Thu Jun 16, 2016 6:54 am 
Offline
Dealer/Sponsor

Joined: Tue Jun 14, 2016 8:33 am
Posts: 1021
Location: Kingston, ON, CA
mortron wrote:
This sounds very interesting and exciting. That is a lot of copy for an ad though... i guess audiophiles dont respond normally to traditional stimulus tho, so it may just do the trick :lol:

Any plans to send a pair around for demo?


Hello Morton,

There is another way....

Like it says in the advert, full refund (if in mint condition, obviously) if you don't like it and don't want it. :)

We would not be offering a 21 day trial and potential for return, if we did not feel that we will get some thing very close to zero returns.

_________________
(Ken Hotte, of) Teo Audio


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Thu Jun 16, 2016 7:49 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Fri Jun 14, 2013 4:52 pm
Posts: 3335
Location: Lasalle, ON, CA
Quote:
"Teo Audio"In essence, modern measurement gear, on it's own, cannot make sense of what is going on in the measurements and the anomalies seen in the measurements, as these traditional measurement systems and tests were designed solely to work with frozen lattice structure conductive elements. Ie, wire and metal.

So does this mean that you have more advanced measurement gear to help confirm the claims being made? If so, are there others who also have access to this more advanced measurement gear who can corroborate your claims?

_________________
Phil


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Thu Jun 16, 2016 8:17 am 
Offline
Dealer/Sponsor

Joined: Tue Jun 14, 2016 8:33 am
Posts: 1021
Location: Kingston, ON, CA
Hello Phil.

A $100-$200 LCR meter will be enough to illustrate the differences in a most clear manner, for an aware and thinking mind that understands what the results are saying.

One can go to a university lab or research lab, and with an intelligent and well thought out testing regimen, one might garner some more information.

_________________
(Ken Hotte, of) Teo Audio


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2016 1:36 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun Mar 20, 2016 8:58 am
Posts: 292
Location: Charlottetown, PE, CA
Can you explain the construction and technology in the cable. Your website is terrible.

Is is a tube filled with gallium alloy and screened drain conductor around it? Then you puncture the tube with the connectors, seal edge and heatshrink around it?

You guys should re-tool your website to be more succinct in your explanations and technical. Specifics are always better than floral descriptors. It comes off pretty hokey when I actually think you guys are doing something interesting. I had to dig on other sites to find out what the cable is all about. You guys should have it plainly in your product details and the physics tab should contain physics information....

Otherwise it's just T-stat juice. :D


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2016 2:31 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Jan 07, 2010 3:45 pm
Posts: 781
Location: Rockwood, ON, CA
Sadly, it will have to retail in the Can$500 range to change my game.

_________________
Decware SE84UFO2 ... Chord 2Qute.... Omega SAM's ... TEO GC Liquid Cables ... Audiosector Integrated... Auralic Aries Femto... Sonore Microrendu... Equi-Core 1200 Power Conditioner ... MCRU LPS... Meridian Explorer2 ... zavfino1877 power cord.


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2016 2:57 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Fri Jun 14, 2013 4:52 pm
Posts: 3335
Location: Lasalle, ON, CA
It will have to retail in the $50.00 range (for at least 20 ft. of cable) to change mine. :lol:

_________________
Phil


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2016 3:05 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Mar 03, 2009 10:24 am
Posts: 1469
Location: Ajax, ON, CA
Is it available in balanced? if so, at what price?


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2016 8:08 pm 
Offline
Dealer/Sponsor

Joined: Tue Jun 14, 2016 8:33 am
Posts: 1021
Location: Kingston, ON, CA
Kartmn wrote:
Is it available in balanced? if so, at what price?


Hello Kartmn,

The cable is a specific RCA cable terminated single ended design. It cannot be translated to a Balanced version.

This cable was designed for a specific and directed purpose - which is to introduce people to the technology, the physics, and it's inherent advantages.

Note the small bit on 'return if not satisfied'. This applies to the idea of comparison of this single ended cable... to that of any given balanced connection, in a system that has potential for either.

Thank you for your time and inquiry.

-- 18 Jun 2016 04:21 --

Serenity_now wrote:
Can you explain the construction and technology in the cable. Your website is terrible.

Is is a tube filled with gallium alloy and screened drain conductor around it? Then you puncture the tube with the connectors, seal edge and heatshrink around it?

You guys should re-tool your website to be more succinct in your explanations and technical. Specifics are always better than floral descriptors. It comes off pretty hokey when I actually think you guys are doing something interesting. I had to dig on other sites to find out what the cable is all about. You guys should have it plainly in your product details and the physics tab should contain physics information....

Otherwise it's just T-stat juice. :D


Hello Serenity_Now,

Manipulation of the technology into a successful outcome requires a different set of considerations compared to that of solid wire audio cable design. These considerations do not exist in living memory or any place of learning, or technological library -or similar depository. They did not exist until we explored them for nearly a decade.

This becomes, and is...our accumulated lore and knowledge -- which is the basis of our value in the act of commercial trade.

These things will not be disseminated into the public purview, for what we feel are obvious common sense reasons.

Thank you for your time and interest.

_________________
(Ken Hotte, of) Teo Audio


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 45 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2, 3  Next

All times are UTC - 8 hours


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group