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PostPosted: Sun Aug 13, 2017 7:58 am 
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This is most puzzling. I hope you find yourself back in video nirvana very soon. As an aside, I have owned two of your most hated AVR brands. My Onkyo lasted me trouble-free for 15 years and my Denon is on Year 3 with no issues.

For what ever reason, there seems to be a lot of defective STB. The CSR at the Rogers store said their is usually a line up of people returning defective/damaged STB especially after a storm. She unplugs hers if there is a storm warning or if she is going to be away for more than a weekend.
In five years she's had to replace her PVR twice.


Another problem might be that (if they are anything like Bell) they are replacing defective units with 'refurbished' ones, and who knows how well they have been refurbished? I expect that they put as little effort and cost into their refurbished units, especially if they are rentals. If they only replace what is obviously faulty, they might be missing the cause of the fault ... and I doubt if they are tested during thunderstorms. I have had to replace a couple of Bell receivers over the years, and they were ALL refurbished units. Since I started demanding new replacements, I have not had a problem.

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This is most puzzling. I hope you find yourself back in video nirvana very soon. As an aside, I have owned two of your most hated AVR brands. My Onkyo lasted me trouble-free for 15 years and my Denon is on Year 3 with no issues.

For what ever reason, there seems to be a lot of defective STB. The CSR at the Rogers store said their is usually a line up of people returning defective/damaged STB especially after a storm. She unplugs hers if there is a storm warning or if she is going to be away for more than a weekend.
In five years she's had to replace her PVR twice.


Another problem might be that (if they are anything like Bell) they are replacing defective units with 'refurbished' ones, and who knows how well they have been refurbished? I expect that they put as little effort and cost into their refurbished units, especially if they are rentals. If they only replace what is obviously faulty, they might be missing the cause of the fault ... and I doubt if they are tested during thunderstorms. I have had to replace a couple of Bell receivers over the years, and they were ALL refurbished units. Since I started demanding new replacements, I have not had a problem.

Your bang on. They are refurbs. I hadn't considered insisting on a BNIB unit.

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Decided not to take chances. Asked for a new box and got one, no muss no fuss. New remote as well.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 13, 2017 2:36 pm 
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mahatma1 wrote:
Decided not to take chances. Asked for a new box and got one, no muss no fuss. New remote as well.


Hope the new TV box will not fry any more of your receivers. However maybe you should try some better build HDMI switcher and use the receiver for audio only. It seems that the HDMI rec boards r the weak link these days, poorly build, lots of reports of failures, Denon etc... I got tired of replacing perfectly good Yamaha 2400 just because Hollywood in their paranoia of piracy pushed on us the HDMI nonsense. Using Marantz VS3002P HDMI Switcher with 6 Inputs, 2 Outputs, no issues for last 10 years or so.


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I haven't been able to get out for the past few weeks so it's given me some time to go back and re-read my old threads about A/V receiver hell.
After reading all of them,and some others,I can only come up with two reasons for wanting another A/V receiver.
1.- I like the surround effects. I own a few Blu-Rays and DVD-A that sound stunning in surround. It even adds a little something to regular TV.
2.- I already have the equipment. Five speakers, sub, Blu-ray 55" Panasonic plasma and two non functional (at least where HDMI is concerned) receivers.
I can't find a receiver I like for under $500 and I'm not even sure I want to put myself through another round of repairs (I'm considering it a given that at some point it will fail).
Here's what I'm thinking about doing.
Keep the Onkyo-Integra DTR 40.3 and get it repaired. When it's working,it's pretty good.
The repair will be less than even a mediocre receiver.
At the moment I'm listening to the TV's internal speakers and they are nasty.
So while I'm getting the money together for the Onkyo to be repaired I'm thinking about a sound bar. Vizio makes a couple that are reasonably priced and favourably reviewed also I can add my sub to it for some low end punch.
There may be other inexpensive soundbars but I haven't heard ANY.
Even if it takes me a while to squirrel away money for the repairs I can have sound that will be decent and can sell the sound bar down the road.
That's what I'm thinking.
Given my history and luck (the lack thereof) with this stuff I'd appreciate your thoughts.

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I'd be game to come over and make some recommendations for you ...

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I went back and re-read my sordid A/V posts, plus anything HDMI related and came to a decision. I've ordered a Vizio 2.0 sound bar (38').
I can connect my sub (B&W AWS 610) to it for extra low end.
The reviews are pretty good on this thing and it has to sound better than the Panasonic's woeful speakers plus the price was very budget friendly.
This will buy me time to figure out what to do about my NFG receivers.
I should have the sound bar sometime next week.
Two questions. It has optical and coaxial connections. Which one is best?
I'm thinking it's the coaxial connection but...
I've also sent an email to Onkyo. I asked if they have resolved their HDMI issues and asked for their thoughts on my history with the unit.
I'm not holding my breath. Has anyone ever received a reply from Onkyo, Denon, Yamaha, et al.?

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Two questions. It has optical and coaxial connections. Which one is best?
I'm thinking it's the coaxial connection but...

Both are fine for your use case....but in your house, to reduce possible electrical surge paths, go with optical.

What is your second question?


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Two questions. It has optical and coaxial connections. Which one is best?
I'm thinking it's the coaxial connection but...

Both are fine for your use case....but in your house, to reduce possible electrical surge paths, go with optical.

What is your second question?

It was "has anyone ever received a reply from Onkyo, Denon or the others"?
Not really a question. I sent Onkyo an email, facebook post, a phone call and got no where. I suspect that's the case for everybody.

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The soundbar arrived today. I happened to have a friend over when it came.
We took it out of the box, set it in place and I proceeded to make the connections.
I decided to go with optical for now.
I looked at the freebie toslink cable and threw it back in the box.
My buddy gives me a WTF look. He says "I thought we were using that".
I tell him I have a better one.
He says " Its a $120 sound bar, who gives a flying fu@K other than you"?
He might be right.
The sound bar sounds pretty good for what it is. Gives a decent amount of volume and is much clearer than the TV's speakers.
We were kind of impressed, then I hooked up the sub and it improved more.
It's good but maybe I can get more out of it.
Here's the question "You buy a $120 soundbar, do you set it and forget it, or do you try different cables, put audiophile approved footers under it, a better power cord to see if you can wring out the last bit of sound from it".
I know what category I fall in and it's a little embarrassing, I can hear buddy saying"Get Help".
Again, he might be right.

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I looked at the freebie toslink cable and threw it back in the box.
My buddy gives me a WTF look. He says "I thought we were using that".
I tell him I have a better one.
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Again, he might be right.


He's right.


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If you already have stuff, use it.
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I looked at the freebie toslink cable and threw it back in the box.
My buddy gives me a WTF look. He says "I thought we were using that".
I tell him I have a better one.
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Again, he might be right.


He's right.


Yup, he is right, light is not that picky. :-)


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