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PostPosted: Mon Oct 20, 2014 7:50 pm 
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Can anyone suggest a decent, reliable end-of-side tonearm lifting device? I had heard of an apparently excellent such device from Audio Technica and am looking for alternatives

And I feel a duty to warn fellow audiophiles not to make the mistake that I made. That of trusting reviews and buying a Q-up online. Stay away from this to avoid paying $60+ for a cheap-looking molded plastic and bits of sheet metal toy. And the frustration and disappointment that follows as you try to set it up.

This is awkward and unreliable because of the Q-up's overall lack of precise fit and finish. There seems to not be a proper screw, bolt, thread or bearing used in the whole device. Plastic-on- plastic adjusting sliders on a control box positioned by inserting plastic ridges pushed into plastic grooves in a flimsy U-shaped plastic base mounted on double-sided tape make adjustments difficult, and precise ones impossible, as the binding and jerking of the sliders cause the box and sometimes the base. too.to pop out of position. A genuine PITA, dangerous to delicate tonearms and cartridges for all but the most obsessive of tinkerers.

Surely there is something better out there!

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 20, 2014 8:44 pm 
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I've been using a Monitor Audio Stylift to raise my SME tonearm since 1976. Simple and no parts to wear out. I've asked at every audio store I go to, they are hard to find and probably out of production. I want two more for other manual turntables, so any CAMers, please let me know if you've seen them for sale.

This links shows an additional weight added or not added to the counterweight.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKS0a-Wetc8&feature=youtu.be

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sM-0-FiuqRU


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 20, 2014 10:49 pm 
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Can anyone suggest a decent, reliable end-of-side tonearm lifting device? I had heard of an apparently excellent such device from Audio Technica and am looking for alternatives

And I feel a duty to warn fellow audiophiles not to make the mistake that I made. That of trusting reviews and buying a Q-up online. Stay away from this to avoid paying $60+ for a cheap-looking molded plastic and bits of sheet metal toy. And the frustration and disappointment that follows as you try to set it up.

This is awkward and unreliable because of the Q-up's overall lack of precise fit and finish. There seems to not be a proper screw, bolt, thread or bearing used in the whole device. Plastic-on- plastic adjusting sliders on a control box positioned by inserting plastic ridges pushed into plastic grooves in a flimsy U-shaped plastic base mounted on double-sided tape make adjustments difficult, and precise ones impossible, as the binding and jerking of the sliders cause the box and sometimes the base. too.to pop out of position. A genuine PITA, dangerous to delicate tonearms and cartridges for all but the most obsessive of tinkerers.

Surely there is something better out there!

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You could try to find a Audio Technica Safety Raiser or a Expression Audio tonearm lift. The Expressimo lift is not for the faint of heart to set up. LOL There are some very good articles on the net on setting up the Expressimo. The Safety Raiser is harder to find and a lot more expensive.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 21, 2014 6:05 am 
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The Q up is the only one that comes to mind that still in production.
I've got 3 aftermarket lifters on my 3 'tables - a THORENS (the orig. Q up), an Audio Technica (came on my Planar 3 when bought used) and the wonderful Express Machining LIFTER.
I'm surprised that the Q up is an inferior product, as the original THORENS piece works great.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 21, 2014 12:57 pm 
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This one looked interesting:

The Levitator https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTYTHFhlcIM and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UeQYPlFSNYs

(I just followed some youtube links that were suggested earlier in this thread).

No idea if it's still available, nor at what cost if it is, but it might be worth some further investigation.
http://www.wiplastics.com/page05.html

Good luck in your hunt. Please let us know how you make out.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 21, 2014 1:24 pm 
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Qup works well. I have tried 3 or 4 other types and I like the way it works . And made in Canada.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 21, 2014 3:18 pm 
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Close to the Edge wrote:
Qup works well. I have tried 3 or 4 other types and I like the way it works . And made in Canada.


Each to his or her own, I guess. As a onetime buyer for a large municipality with some understanding of basic materials science, I have to say that I find some of the claims made for - and prices paid for -some "audiophile products" -cable lifters, cyrogenically-alligned cables, "skin effects" at audible frequencies - absurd.

Q-up may work for some turntables, but especially for ones with tight spacing - like the Thorens 126-II with the SME 309 arm I was trying to fit this to, the prevalent use of molded plastic and lack of proper bearings or other reliable adjustment mechanisms makes for a lack of precision, smooth movement or reliable locking that is not only frustrating but also potentially damaging as settings are easily nudged or knocked out of kilter.

I suppose infinite patience and the application of crazy glue could help, but prefer to look for a better-made device.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 21, 2014 6:03 pm 
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I would agree that the Q Up is the only one still in production that I can recall - although I think it was originally produced by Thorens way back in the day. Alphason also used to make one that used magnets to lift - UHF sold it in their store way way back.
My Thorens Q Up worked well on my AR The Turntable - I have heard the new ones are maybe not as robust as the original ones but have not seen a new one.
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Perhaps this may suit your needs after a little research..........

http://www.expressimoaudio.com/lift.html


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Jimmi wrote:
Perhaps this may suit your needs after a little research..........

http://www.expressimoaudio.com/lift.html


I stand corrected - nice find................
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 21, 2014 8:39 pm 
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J. P. wrote:
Jimmi wrote:
Perhaps this may suit your needs after a little research..........

http://www.expressimoaudio.com/lift.html


I stand corrected - nice find................
jp


Guten Grief! What a turntable! Great fun moving that monster. Should take care of random resonances. The lifter should go really well with my Gyrodec and Odyssey tonearm, but where can one get it?


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 21, 2014 8:56 pm 
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They sell on the Audiogon , likely other sites as well.
But you can buy direct from them. It is the second link.
Just click on contact on the left side of link.......

http://app.audiogon.com/listings/turnta ... -19-analog

http://www.expressimoaudio.com/


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I watched a video of the Q-up when it was first made available. Seeing it in action scared me off, but fortunately I've never felt a need for such a thing.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 22, 2014 12:43 pm 
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CornerCutter wrote:
This one looked interesting:

The Levitator https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTYTHFhlcIM and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UeQYPlFSNYs

(I just followed some youtube links that were suggested earlier in this thread).

No idea if it's still available, nor at what cost if it is, but it might be worth some further investigation.
http://www.wiplastics.com/page05.html

Good luck in your hunt. Please let us know how you make out.

Cheers


Thank you, C.C.,
I have sent an Email based on their 3 year old website info, and am waiting for a reply, since I have several turntables. Also managed to track down and AT SafeLift, and am paying $175US for that - not cheap, but likely much better made than the Q-UP.

erich

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You could try to find a Audio Technica Safety Raiser or a Expression Audio tonearm lift. The Expressimo lift is not for the faint of heart to set up. LOL There are some very good articles on the net on setting up the Expressimo. The Safety Raiser is harder to find and a lot more expensive.[/quote]

Thanks for the adevice, but why do you say that the Expressimo lifter is not for the faint of heart? It does look pretty, but I can't risk damaging a the $1k plus Benz Micro Wood on the turntable it would look nicest with, if is unreliable.

And frankly their website with its gonzo half ton of granite turntable and "cyrogenic treatment" of components (does anyone here understand basic physics?), magic record demagnetizing device (wand?), etc. does not admire much confidence.

Still, the actual device does look workable.


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 22, 2014 9:35 pm 
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UPDATE: Does work ...sort of.

...since David Puls of Pulsworks Audio Arts, by far the best audiophile store and recording studio in saskatoon, was nice enough to do a little further adjustment. It does raise the tonearm in the final grooves. Actually tends to cut off the last few seconds, but the little b*gger is so finicky to adjust, I'll leave it where it is for now.

I have four turntables and will keep this on the Thorens 126/SME309, but will return the second one I'd ordered with it, as I wait for the AT Safelift to arrive and also look at other alternatives people have suggested. Still wonder about the Expressimo product, which does seem to be available but may be difficult to set up or jerky, or possibly both.


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