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PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2017 12:31 pm 
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Marantz has excellent sound for music and movies and most importantly - 3 years warranty. Many of the cheaper home theatre receivers, especially from non-javanese companies are not exactly reliable.

I love the overall sound from my Marantz 8002 but the bass management is terrible! Anyone else find this? I've sworn off buying anything else by Marantz until I know this isn't an issue any more.


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Always been a Pioneer Elite guy......Love my SC-85


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Over the last 20 years I've had 1 sony, 2 denons and 2 pioneers, in that order. Not one of them has failed, the first denon is still in use in my living room and is about 8-9 years old. Currently using a pioneer elite sc-95 in main theater area and couldn't be happier with it's performance.


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Soundemon wrote:
I love the overall sound from my Marantz 8002 but the bass management is terrible! Anyone else find this? I've sworn off buying anything else by Marantz until I know this isn't an issue any more.

What is the issue?
I have a 7005 pro, no issues.


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mahatma1 wrote:
Buy the cheapest one that does what you want, wait for it to break down. Get another.
Repeat .


This is the best advice posted in this thread ... full stop.


Why? Because Most of the AV receivers are cheaply built, simply because they are built to their cheapest price-point possible for marketing reasons and significant build compromises are the inescapable. Sure, It's a different animal when you step up into the top CARY or KRELL or similar fare, but that is not in your stated budget range.

There are a bundle of common posts about the continuing build problems in most of the AVRs.

Go search the prior posts about the continuing poor power supply, the overheating and component failures, and the HDMI and motherboard catastrophic failures, ..... both posted here on CAM and AUDIGON and elsewhere. The issues are common, well-known and regrettably legendary. ONKYO has the indicated highest complaint counter, they admitted (eventually) to a lingering systemic series of problems . I have not seen any recent posts that they have been corrected.

Your brief intro sampler to get you started....

viewtopic.php?f=10&t=40577

https://forum.audiogon.com/discussions/ ... ity-issues

https://forum.audiogon.com/discussions/ ... 300-beware

http://www.hometheatershack.com/forums/ ... -dust.html

Choose wisely . Caveat Emptor ....


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http://www.canuckaudiomart.com/details/649324962-485-lbs-onkyo-integra-txsv909pro-stereosurround-receiver-ampprice-includes-shipping/

http://www.canuckaudiomart.com/details/649302191-onkyo-txnr3009-thx-ultra2-plus-92-140wch-4k-upscaling-truehd-dtshd-audyssey-xt32/

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Sunfire Ultimate Receiver http://www.canuckaudiomart.com/details/649326323-sunfire-ultimate-receiver-price-drop/ ---> http://www.socalhifi.com/gear/sunfire-ultimate/1.JPG , http://hometheaterhifi.com/volume_10_3/images/sunfire-ultimate-receiver-rear-panel-large.jpg (a sign at the rear panel says "Made in Snohomish, Washington, U.S.A.")


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LEAFS264 wrote:
Always been a Pioneer Elite guy......Love my SC-85


I also have a Pioneer Elite (SC-65) running my home theatre, as well as several other zones in the house for background music. It has also served well for listening to music, both 2 channel and multi channel SACD's. I run everything from an app on my phone and tablet. Prior to that, I had many years of faithful service from a Sony STR-DB940.


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I cannot argue the idea that an AVR is not usually all that well built these days.

I use them primarily as a pre/pro so I only buy models with preouts for all channels.

I often run an outboard amp for at least the R and L speakers.

Currently enjoying my 3rd year of a used Pioneer VSX-1018. I have run outboard amps, but at present I am letting it handle all 5 speakers.

When it dies, I will be trolling the Canuck classifieds for another AVR with pre outs in the $300 range.

Works for me and what I want out of the HT experience.

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http://www.kijiji.ca/v-electronique/ville-de-montreal/sony-str-da5400es-elevated-standard-home-theater-receiver/1232408596 , http://www.whathifi.com/sony/str-da5400es/review , http://audio.com.pl/images/1/8/3/32183-max_sony_str_da5400es_01.jpg

http://www.kijiji.ca/v-electronique/tro ... 1223902195 , http://www.audioreview.com/cat/amplification/a-v-receivers/rotel/rsx-1056/prd_298796_2718crx.aspx


>>What a pleasant find this wonderful sounding Rotel RXS-1065 receiver has been. After testing a multitude of contenders this amp is truly head and shoulders above it's competitors. Paired with a set of B&W Nautilus series 805 speakers in the front and dual firing Energy rears as well as a decent Paradigm center chanel speaker and a fabulous (for the price)Paradigm PS 1000 sub woofer this amp delivers great sound. Yes, it is possible to get great sound from a multi channel reciever and get it for under $3000 Canadian. I have tested many recievers over the past year and although I've heard some wonderful sound eminating from those units in multi channel mode it's the two channel mode where the Rotel leaves the others in the dust. It's simple, you like movies and you love music...buy this amp you won't be dissapointed!<< , by 'VIguy' http://www.audioreview.com/cat/amplification/a-v-receivers/rotel/rsx-1065/prd_133654_2718crx.aspx#reviews

>>After using this Rotel RXS-1065 unit for a couple of months I have to say that I am still impressed every time I turn it on. I went out one night last fall just to listen to it at a local store and all my wife could say was "Buy it ... now" because even she was impressed. I replaced a Carver HTR 880 with this reciever and haven't regretted it for an instant.<< , by 'Gino' http://www.audioreview.com/cat/amplification/a-v-receivers/rotel/rsx-1065/prd_133654_2718crx.aspx#reviews

>>I was looking at Denon 4802 Onkyo sr900 and Marantz 8200 receivers also. The Rotel RXS-1065 sounded much more like separates than any of the others. Music and movies this thing isvery detailed and does a terrific job decoding DTS and DD. Don't let the 100 watts per channle fool you. Seems more like 200. The weight of this Rotel RXS-1065 will easily tell you different it weights in at 48 lbs.<< , by 'dljc' http://www.audioreview.com/cat/amplification/a-v-receivers/rotel/rsx-1065/prd_133654_2718crx.aspx#reviews

>>My search included all Denon, Onkyo, Integra, Yamaha, and JVC products within the $3000 dollar budget. While doing side by side comparisons, the AudioVideo store saleman switched to the Rotel RXS-1065. I was immediately impressed with the outstanding stereo sound quality and spacial imaging. The other AV competitor receivers in stereo sounded flat and somewhat lifeless. The Rotel 1065 has tremendous power reserve for its 5 x 100 watt rating. At very load volumes, the Rotel was able to present dynamic music without becoming edgy or colored. My choice was obvious and the price tag was well below the competition!<< , by'Tom Specht' http://www.audioreview.com/cat/amplification/a-v-receivers/rotel/rsx-1065/prd_133654_2718crx.aspx#reviews

>>The British magazine What Hi*Fi? (http://www.whathifi.com) Reviewed this Rotel RXS-1065 receiver in there march 2002 issue and this is what they said; But the Rotel has still to play its trump card; stereo performance. In stereo, from CDs, the RSX-1065 is the best-sounding one-box receiver we’ve yet heard. It’s meaty when called upon, tight sounding, and musical whatever the genre. The Denon AVC-A11SR runs its close, but falls away by being just a little too smooth; the Rotel, by contrast, has the energy and timing to capture fast-paced beats crisply, defining each note cleanly in the mix. It rocks, it rolls and it shakes its funky derriere: you can’t ask for more from a product of this type. The RSX-1065 is an enthusiast’s delight. We love the way its looks, we respect the features its carries, and boy, does it sound good.<< , by 'Hans Melles' http://www.audioreview.com/cat/amplification/a-v-receivers/rotel/rsx-1065/prd_133654_2718crx.aspx#reviews

http://www.kijiji.ca/v-stereo-systems-home-theatre/ouest-de-lile-qc/rotel-rsx-1065/1228507612?null ---> http://img.canuckaudiomart.com/uploads/large/763137-rotel_rsx_1065_for_sale.jpg , http://obrazki.elektroda.pl/4012553700_1335825404.jpg , http://product-images.highwire.com/10784953/5112-8.jpg


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The Anthem 710 is 3D and 4K capable.


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>>Performance: At the far other end of the noise/quality ratio is The Fast and the Furious franchise -- they sure put some pressure on your amps. If you haven’t seen any of the films, start with Fast Five (2011) or Fast & Furious (2009), both directed by the exceptional Justin Lin. Some of the dialog will make you groan, but I guarantee you’ll be surprised at the quality of the action scenes. The mayhem as the stunt drivers destroy 107 cars is a staggering load on any receiver, but the Anthem MRX 710 never buckled (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6DvDolxr94 , https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLZfTKuhxvw) -- in fact, its amplifier section seemed to have infinite headroom (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkADj0TPrJA). Given Anthem’s reputation for remarkable sound, I had high hopes for its ability with two-channel music. Sometimes it’s OK to be late to a party (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6l3Pj7SZJoQ , https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrSKG3TS0uE , https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2AC41dglnM , https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1LDZHFe1Wk , https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lP4Nnek6DCo) , and I took a long time to try out the amazing recordings from Water Lily Acoustics, the label of engineer and producer Kavichandran Alexander. Given that he records all Water Lily releases with the almost infinite resolution of a completely analog recording chain, I had high hopes for great sound. My favorite track on Tabula Rasa is “The Dancing Girl.” At 3:41, P. Srinivasan’s tablas pop onto the center of the soundstage, with Fleck’s banjo in the right channel and Bhatt’s mohan vina in the left. The triode tube electronics and hand-made microphones feeding 1” analog tape recorders (all designed by audio éminence grise Tim de Paravicini) with absolutely zero compression offer a wildly dynamic ride with sound that astounds. The Anthem MRX 710 presented a crystal-clear view into these amazing performances. I tried both disc and 24-bit/192kHz download versions of Corelli’s Violin Sonatas, Op.5, by the Avison Ensemble (SACD/CD, Linn CKD-412). Linn’s legendary recording abilities really shine here. The Sonata in D Minor, No.12, “Folia,” comprises three short and lovely Adagios interspersed among an equal number of sprightly Allegros. The final Allegro offers wonderful sound, with vivid dynamics and the resinous sound of period strings. Again, the Anthem receiver was equally at home providing accurate sound for the audiophile, and the necessary switching, decoding, and picture quality demanded by the home-theater enthusiast. Over the last two years, we’ve tried several of the finest AVRs: the Marantz 7008 ($1999), the Onkyo NR5010 ($2999), and the NAD T 787 ($3999). While each offered its own take on room correction, none impressed me as much as did Anthem’s ARC 1M. If sound quality is your primary purchasing criterion, then the Performance of the Anthem MRX 710 should be at the top of your list.<< , by Wes Marshall from http://www.soundstagexperience.com/index.php/wesworld-menu/feature-articles-reviews-menu/520-anthem-performance-mrx-710-a-v-receiver-king-of-the-sonic-frontiers

http://www.canuckaudiomart.com/details/649316637-anthem-mrx-710-av-receiver-with-box/ ---> http://www.lydogbillede.dk/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/mrx710_open_top.jpg , Anthem MRX 710 received great review by http://www.lydogbillede.dk/test/hjemmebiograf/anthem-mrx-710/ for it's fantastic sound quality. The only reason the Anthem MRX 710 "only" received 5 stars out of 6 by this particular reviewer is that he criticize this unit for not having so many features as other competitors and that it's setup-menu and roomcorrection is not so easy to use (but that is that reviewer's opinion). But most important of all, this Anthem MRX 710 unit is rated as a fantastic and muscular sounding AV receiver.


Or if it's possible to get a used Primare SPA21, I doubt you can go wrong with that either http://www.primare.net/dealer-view.asp?PKDealerID=650 ---> https://www.minhembio.com/bilder/bild/?pic_id=271722.jpg

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I'm pretty impressed with the recent (5 years ago to current) Pioneer Elite series AVR.


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>> I don’t think I’d be overstating it if I said that the sound quality you get from this Anthem MRX 1120 unit is comparable to having separates from some other manufacturers. ARC 2 room correction continues to show why it is one of the most well regarded of these types of systems. Bass was always tight, powerful and perfectly rendered regardless of the source material.<< , by Carlo Lo Raso from http://hometheaterhifi.com/reviews/receiver-processor/receivers/anthem-mrx-1120-av-receiver-review/

http://www.kijiji.ca/v-speakers/laval-rive-nord/recepteur-anthem-mrx1120/1231338898?null


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mahatma1 wrote:
Buy the cheapest one that does what you want, wait for it to break down. Get another.
Repeat .
My Marantz NR 1403 has been pretty good though. Its 5.1, few bells, no whistles.


True to form....the old man's Marantz NR-14XX AVR (circa 2010/2011 - can't remember the model) just packed it in. The HDMI audio connections had become increasing unreliable in recent months. Then, suddenly no audio output from any input source. He didn't bother to see if could be repaired. It's a shame...I was really impressed with the sound quality and overall performance for an entry-level AVR.

Given his budget, I suggested he look at Yamaha for a replacement.....and gave him mahatma1's advice above. He just called to let me know he picked up a Yammie RXV-781 on sale at a local big box (Vision's) for $650. A quick Google search suggests that this is a well-featured unit for the price . We'll see how long this one lasts.

I guess I better do my best to keep my name in the will....and head over tonight to set it up for him.


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>>I would also recommend the Onkyo 818, 'Bass Freak'. I think you'll find that this model should outperform the Onkyo 905 in many ways.<< , by 'hifix' https://www.avforums.com/threads/anthem-mrx-vs-onkyo-905.1613499/

http://www.kijiji.ca/v-stereo-systems-home-theatre/st-johns/onkyo-tx-nr818-7-2-channel-4k-home-theatre-receiver/1222961689


>>The comparisons I have read seem that people who once owned the more popular Japanese brands, and then switched to the Anthem, NAD, CA AVR's, are much happier with the decision to switch. It seems that these three have better results powering harder-to-drive speakers with less wattage, and simply, sound better naturally. Because of price and wattage, the NAD T758 and Emo Fusion 8100 are at the top of the list so far. I hear Anthem has the best sound though.<< , by 'Trace79' http://www.avsforum.com/forum/90-receivers-amps-processors/1522614-these-avr-s-best-music.html

>>Thanks for your replies :). I can borrow the onkyo and the anthem. My dealer personally has an onkyo 5008 and is thinking of selling it to buy the mrx 500 which is why I'm leaning in the anthem direction<< , by 'Bass freak' https://www.avforums.com/threads/anthem-mrx-vs-onkyo-905.1613499/

>>I had an onkyo 5507 and now have a anthem, would i go back to onkyo? NO! Best sound i have ever heard in my room period!<< , by 'TopMeTom' https://www.avforums.com/threads/anthem-mrx-vs-onkyo-905.1613499/

>>They are also at w different price points. the Anthem being slightly more ex than the Yams, and the Arcam being way beyond ridiculous. they all sound good in their own rights. It really boils down to feature set, purpose, and housing. Yams (Yamaha AV receivers) are really good for HT movies. By which i mean the sound is tuned towards more emphasis on effects for HT movies. So has a lot of "wow" factor when it comes to HT movies. Unfortunately, music sounds unnatural on the Yams. That's where Anthem and Arcam and Pioneer Elite and NAD and Emotiva Fusion 8100 and Marantz and harman/kardon and Rotel and Primare are undoubtedly stronger when it comes to music reproduction.<< , https://www.avforums.com/threads/arcam-avr750-or-yamaha-rx-a3030-or-anthem-mrx-710-help.1861037/

>>The HK 's (harman/kardon AV receivers) still have good audio as far as music goes. For the money and return policy I'd try the Emotiva Fusion 8100. For more money look at Anthem avr.<< , by 'Elmo C' http://www.avsforum.com/forum/90-receivers-amps-processors/1901441-emotiva-fusion-8100-vs-nad-t-748-avrs.html

>>I have the Emotiva Fusion 8100. It is rated 110W on two channels, thus comparable with the more mainstream 100W x2 receivers. However, as flyng_fool pointed out, if you look at the difference in dB, is not significant. My front L/R are 6 Ohm speakers and I do not have any problem in getting the 8100 to play loud and clean in a 17x13 room in a five channel configuration. The volume control goes up to 80, anything above 65 with Dolby Digital movies sounds really loud to me. My speakers are not even that great in sensitivity, around 85dB 1W/1m, and they are driven full range, no sub, which is even more taxing for an amp.<< , by 'MusicHead' http://www.avsforum.com/forum/90-receivers-amps-processors/1757993-anything-better-than-emotiva-fusion-8100-under-450-500-a.html

>>The Anthem MXR 710 seems a LOT more power than what you could use for those speakers, BTW. The Anthem MXR 510 is more than enough, I assure you the Anthem MRX 510 is a brutal beast, because it's even a little more powerful than my NAD T758 and I'm driving bigger speakers pretty hard at times. (KEF R500/R200C). Believe me, I can turn my little 60w/channel (all channels driven) receiver up to 0dB on the volume scale for a few seconds at a time but that is REALLY loud. Still sounds clear and clean, but the cats are running away and my wife gets red in the face. << , by 'KenM10759' http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/threads/anthem-mrx-710-vs-marantz-separates.96975/

>>If you can find a Anthem MRX 500 for a great price you will not be disappointed. If you can afford a MRX 510 then go for it.<< , by 'SeriouslyCinema' https://www.avforums.com/threads/anthem-mrx-500-vs-mrx-510.1889053/

>>For what its worth, which may not be a lot, I recently swapped my budget 2 channel amp (Marantz pm6005) for a Anthem MRX 500! The first thing I noticed was how detailed the MRX 500 was in comparison to the Marantz two channel amp without loosing any warmth, bass response was also better on the Anthem MRX 500 than the Marantz pm6005 two channel amp! generally everything sounds clean and composed. by 'liamgdr' https://www.avforums.com/threads/anthem-mrx-510-with-music.1938502/

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Emotiva-FUSION-8100-/322388951730

http://www.canuckaudiomart.com/details/649327396-anthem-mrx-500/

http://www.kijiji.ca/v-stereo-systems-home-theatre/laval-rive-nord/recepteur-anthem-mrx720/1230625171?null

>>Well got her all running this evening and the first thing I can say is that the new arc is a million times faster on the Anthem MRX 510 vs the 500. As far as sound I do like the 510 more than the 500. Speakers amazingly enough sound more spacious and better integrated with the 510 vs the 500.<< , by 'turbojohngt' http://www.avsforum.com/forum/90-receivers-amps-processors/1885353-worth-upgrading-anthem-mrx-500-mrx-510-a.html


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