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PostPosted: Sun Jan 31, 2016 12:08 pm 
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The story started last Sunday when I listed a pair of B&W802D speakers.
I had a few reposes to the add, and one of them was from Rob (rbridi)
On Tuesday, we talked on the phone, and agreed on a purchase price
so I marked the ad sale pending.
I also received interest from 3 other people, after I had marked the ad sale pending.

On Thursday this week, I had the speaker checked out by a tech friend of mine, to make sure
that they where performing OK. I was told yes.

Well it looks like since Thursday and today (Sunday) I toasted the Tweeters B&W p/n ZZ14265
and due to my hearing loss in the higher range, I did not notice. (we did give them a work out last night)

Rob arrived, after a 4hr dive (each way) to inspect the speakers, and confirm they worked perfect.
He was very happy with the overall finish, no problem as described.
They we played some tunes, Rob immediately said the it did not sound right to him, I had a quick listen
and did not notice anything. Rob put his ear to the tweeter and declared that it was not working, I cover the
mid driver and it sounded like it was to me.
I played some white noise, at that point it became apparent to me, that both tweeters where not working.

To confirm this, I removed one diamond tweeter and replaced with a new B&W703 tweeter as it only take 1 minuite,
the new tweeter worked perfect, so the crossover is fine.
I FELT SO STUPID, and I think Rob thought I was trying to sell him a defective product. Thats not me.

Knowing that the diamond tweeters, list at over $1000.00 us
( when I punched the speakers, I had to replace a tweeter and after the Canadian dealers discount and HST it cost me less than 1K CND)
Felling so bad for Rob, wasting his time and spending money on Gas. (I did give him $50.00 to help with the gas cost)
I asked him if he would be willing to take the speakers with him, if I reduced the asking price by $2900.00 (not the agreed selling price)
and he could look after the repairs.

Rob I am so sorry for waisting your time, if I had been home this morning and not at work, I probity would have noticed and cancelled
our meeting.

I will order a pair of ZZ14265 tweeters in a next couple of months and replace them, anybody got a
local dealer that will offer a good discount on them as the dealer I purchased from last time has closed.

Brian


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 31, 2016 12:47 pm 
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Sorry to hear about this unfortunate incident Brian. Hopefully Rob will read this and he'll understand that it was an honest mistake. Hopefully you both can regroup and reboot the transaction after you replace the tweeters.

Not trying to be too critical here but in retrospect it probably wasn't the best time to give the speakers a 'workout' when you had a pending sale or a confirmed sale. Chalk it up to a valuable learning experience.

The Moral of this Story: when you sell something, unplug it, pack it up and leave it alone. Because regardless of whether any money had changed hands yet, in essence it no longer belonged to you.

Hope everything turns out for the best.

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hifijones wrote:
The Morale of this Story: when you sell something, unplug it, pack it up and leave it alone. Because regardless of whether any money had changed hands yet, in essence it no longer belonged to you.


hifi

I have never looked at it that way, but you do have a great point.
Also no more 18 year old Scotch for me :roll:

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YOU deserve a large yellow star for admitting to your own error in public.


BRAVO sir!


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How does one toast tweeters? The only way I can think of is to raise the amplifier volume way too high, until it creates distortion.


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Fatfat wrote:
YOU deserve a large yellow star for admitting to your own error in public.


BRAVO sir!


I agree wit 2fats Brian, well done...

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Scudder wrote:
How does one toast tweeters? The only way I can think of is to raise the amplifier volume way too high, until it creates distortion.


That's pretty much it...

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Wait a minute -- how old was that scotch?


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I had similar but not exactly the same experience.
I bought a pair of JBL CF150. I was not sure whether the tweeter was working so I did the same thing to cover the middle range but not too much difference to me. So I paid.

At home, I generated a 15k pitch and tweak the volume high but still not that much as I expect.

So, I took tweeters out and confirmed no resistance.

My problem is I might burnt the tweeter by myself with thus high power. So I had no proof it or they were not working from last owner.

I definitely would support and appreciate this positive and honest attitude.


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That's a long drive to be disappointed, but you gotta know that there's that risk when you decide to do it. However, that's a pretty generous reduction in price to compensate for it. If that had been me, I think I would have went for it and ordered new tweeters.

Good on you for coming forward! Honest mistakes happen.


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"Mistakes are a part of being human. Appreciate your mistakes for what they are: precious life lessons that can only be learned the hard way. Unless it's a fatal mistake, which, at least, others can learn from."
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It takes real cojones to apologize & attempt to make amends. Hope it all works out for y'all...


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Che Cavolo wrote:
Fatfat wrote:
YOU deserve a large yellow star for admitting to your own error in public.


BRAVO sir!


I agree wit 2fats Brian, well done...


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It's much easier to deny, legitimize, camouflage the truth and protect your ego (if only to yourself) than admit that you aren't perfect. A good story and an important lesson. Good on you.


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If I were Rob I would have been happy that it broke while it was still into your hands ... that price reduction you offered is more than honest too so you can't feel bad imo ...


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The Moral of this Story: when you sell something, unplug it, pack it up and leave it alone. Because regardless of whether any money had changed hands yet, in essence it no longer belonged to you.


+1

Just did that, once agreement was reached, unhooked, boxed.


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